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The Avenging Angels-The Story of Amarrian Vengeance

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#101 - 2014-06-20 14:51:34 UTC
With Iron Oxide reinforcements started being jumped into the station from corporations like Defiant Legacy and Heritic Army Amarrian Vengeance pilots were lashing out hard at everyone from general militia chat to leadership channels. We needed help we needed reinforcements. We were upset that Mnemic was taking general militia fleets out to chase a condor three jumps and camping the houla gate instead of bringing much needed bodies to Arzad. In all fairness he did finally sway to our calls and he did finally bring much needed help from time to time.

The Arzad fleet was a standing 24 hour fleet now. AVNG was giving out free punishers to anyone from general militia willing to come plex with us. Low sp and battle experience of general militia pilots drove our fleet commanders up the wall. Everyone had the limits of their endurance tested as no one fleet commander stepped away from fleet until the next timezone corporation of the Faithful came online. Time zone coverage was crucial as Amarrian Vengeance covered the US TZ, PIE covered the Euro TZ and Black Watch Guard covered the MUCH NEEDED AND CRUCIAL Aussie TZ.

We traded plexes with Iron Oxide for weeks, I personally lost over 3 billion in ships that month. God only knows how much the rest of our coalition lost. But we were committed and I would have gladly lost another five billion in ships to see Arzad fall.
Towards the latter stages of the campaign full out brawls were the norm with fights for EVERY plex lasting well over twenty minutes as both sides dug in deep and jumped right back into a ship when they lost one and threw themselves back into the fight.

It would be foolish of me not to show respect to Iron Oxide in this thread as they really did give EVERYTHING they had in every single plex. On any plex fight it was normal for each side to have well over 5 or 6 logi ships making any progress made by killing the other side’s ship a slow and excruciating prosess. One griffen took 103K damage before going down in one of the brawls for a minor plex.

As the contestation slowly rose over the course of three weeks to the higher levels of 60% it was apparent that the Euro timezoned Iron Oxide were slowly losing the double Aussie/US timezone wars, slowly but surely.

By the end of the third week fatigue was showing on both sides but we started to see signs of the Iron Oxide fortress cracking. The lack of ships being jumped in to replace ships lost by Iron Oxide was a relief and we knew they almost reached the cracking point. We needed one final push. One final miracle.

That miracle showed up late one night towards the end of May 2013. It was a huge Fweddit Fleet led By Almity from InExile. Cyno’s went up off the Tararan station as fweddit carriers landed full of ships for their fleet. Everyone on our comms rejoiced as five words where uttered ‘they are here to stay’.

Almity reached out to us to drop our fleets in local and join his. Any and all hope Iron Oxide might have had of keeping the system was lost when one Fweddit pilot in particular ‘scort tofusin’ started streaming live a….well….how can I put this………a painting session. He was not a fast painter either. It would take him an hour or two to paint the Fweddit logo, the pilot showed he had about ten empty canvases reserved for the stream. It was fweddit psychological warfare in a strange twisted fweddit way. It made a very loud statement to Iron Oxide, that statement being the fweddit fleet was going to be there for a long, long, long time if it took him close to two hours just to paint one canvass. Iron Oxide broke with the deliberately slow brush strokes of Scort Tofusin.

As the system became vunerable and the final hub bashing fleets arrived Fweddit had one final surprise up there sleeve. They cynoed in a Charon class frigheter and asked the IHUB bashing fleet to kill it at the IHUB. When it died. The killmail showed the cargo full of Slaves bought from Jita.

We won. The offensive no one believed would succeed spearheaded by the most faithful of Amarr pilots came to an end.

It was my one of my proudest moments in EVE. It was the defining moment for Amarrian Vengeance. The reason we existed has been achieved.

Arzad fell.

To Be Continued…………..

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-06-20 15:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
To Our Friends.

To The Faithful.

Thank You.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2014-06-20 16:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
I've generally enjoyed your story to date dude o7, yes it is full of propaganda stuff and there are some mistakes but a good read. But then I get to this chapter, something that I have intimate knowledge about and I find that you really don't have a clue what you are talking about and I have to doubt the rest of your story now. Did you just guess at this?

Stalking Mantis wrote:
Chapter 20 The Coming Of The Ark (Continued)
...What makes this Titan’s so special is the fact that the spy/sellout (whatever you judge him to be) didn’t even have the roles to offline the POS shields. So it seemed from the outlook of that video that Iron Oxide command did have proper security measures in place to prevent someone from doing exactly that by limiting the distribution of roles in a corporation...

...Call me an assuming analyst but this was not a deep cover spy insertion operation from Pandemic Legion by any means. This was a sellout plain and simple. Snowman1 was in and out of that Titan pilots corp since 2012 almost a year before they even had a titan. Someone somewhere wronged him either in the corporation or the alliance level and he decided revenge was to be delivered through the guns of Pandamic Legion.

First off you talk about Iron Oxide being in control of this titan. At no point was it. The two player corp which owned the Titan joined Iron Oxide in late December 2012, it came with the Titan, set up their own POS to base it in and no other Iron Oxide entities had any access or control over the Titan. We merely formed up outside the POS shield. Eperor would bring the Titan to the edge of the POS and bridge us, that was it. Snowman1 was not wronged by anyone, he didn't like FW, rarely flew with us, was often on suicide gank KM with goons around the Jita area during his time in Iron Oxide and finally decided to go off and do something different. In short the man was a c*nt who never fitted in and before going pulled this stunt against someone I assumed had been a long term ingame friend.

Stalking Mantis wrote:
I have been around faction warfare for while. I know exactly how the process of getting a FW corp Titan goes. It is never an individual effort. Countless hours are put in by everyone on an Alliance level to contribute to the cost. I’m talking about almost a year’s worth of Tier 4 LP farming from EVERYONE pitching in to buy the Titan.

Completely wrong. The Titan and corp came to Iron Oxide in December 2012, not a penny of Iron Oxide or any FW derived funds were paid in the purchase of this ship. Frankly I don't know who were behind it's purchase, but it wasn't us.

Stalking Mantis wrote:
Long story short? WTB Iron Oxide TeamSpeak corp chat from the moment the Titan logged on and for three days after the incident. Because you I assure you EVERYONE on an Alliance level must have been extremely upset that a year’s worth of missioning/plexing hours was just lost at Planet 6 of the Arzad solar system. tl:dr dissent was going to be rampant at this time.

I was the only other FeO pilot online during the incident, Eperor actually convo'd me mid gank to tell me what was happened. He was upset and I felt sorry for him, he was a crazy Russian with a crude sense of humour and would bridge with us on his alt during our time together. He tried to be upbeat about it, but he never played with us again and eventually left the alliance. As for the rest of FeO, yeah it was a bit embarrassing, but personnally, your opening comments in this thread about Wolfsbrigade rang cords with me from this time. I wouldn't wish what happened to Eperor on anyone, but frankly having a Titan was fun for a few weeks but quickly became a major pain in the arse. We would spend hours sat on that POS shield waiting for a drop. I did not enjoy it. I guess I'm saying "we didn't want that Titan anyway" lol

Stalking Mantis wrote:
I will not risk upsetting ISD by posting an individual killmail for that titan but feel free to look it up yourself to see the fit for yourself (Eporer, May 2013). There is no secret what Iron Oxide was using that Titan for, they were using it for the same reason LNA is using theirs in Houla now. LINKS, Titan level links giving Titan level link boosts to the defensive fleet of Arzad.

Eperor never boosted for us. I see links on the LM, but he never boosted, he only ever bridged. I'm not denying we had links in Arzad - T3 links, before T3s were nerfed, we had no need for Titan links.

Stalking Mantis wrote:
Amarrian Vengeance Leadership was quick to jump in on this golden opportunity. High level leadership talks ensued as we BEGGED all Amarrian leadership to help back our plan to strike hard at the heart of the Minmatar resistance, Strike and take over Arzad dealing a deathblow to the Minmatar. I cannot overinflate the importance of the timing here as this window to strike was fast passing and soon Iron Oxide leadership would regain composure after the hard blow dealt to them from Pandemic Legion.

If this happened, it was based on the wrong assumption. FeO were reeling at the time and the Titan loss was a blow, but the real reason was the decision of Weazls to leave FeO and go pirate in Molten Heath which occurred just before the Titan loss. Up until that point the three main corps of FeO - Weazls, Penguins and CTRL-Q had been so close knit we were like one big corp. When Weazls left, they didn't just take 50 odd people, they took around 10 'Key' player - you know what I mean when I say key - the people that make things happens, FCs, booster alts, Logi, Scouts/Probers, Falcon pilots. It took time for us to readjust from that and bring new people on. But incidently, the battle for Arzad actually brought us back from the brink of disbandment. Yes we lost the system, but FeO came out of it strong. GF
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#104 - 2014-06-20 16:08:20 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
stuff.
I think when you read this stuff you have to understand it's from Stalking Mantis' perspective. THEY thought you were reeling from the Titan loss, and it gave them a reason to attack. It was likely the wrong reason to attack, but the attack was at the right time I guess. The fog of war and all that.


Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-06-20 16:19:05 UTC
Chapeter 23 The Angels Sleep

After the fall of Arzad everyone in AVNG was beat. We were exauhsted after almost a month and half on nonstop serious plex fights. I personally did not want to see another acceleration gate in my life. We felt everything this corporation set out to achieve has been achieved. The fall of Arzad really came as a shock to everyone on both sides. Niether did we nor did Iron Oxide believe it would have ever happened.

And although many an EVE blogger attributed the fall of Arzad to Fweddit. I think the main point that needs to be made here is that Fweddit is an Army. No Army goes into the field of battle without a much smaller force going there first and paving the way. Rangers, SEALS, SAS, Ghurkha, Delta, Green Berets, Spetznaz call them what you want. Point is, Special Forces always land first.

In the Arzad Campaign much of our frustration stemmed from the point that we were taking heavy losses as we spearheaded the Assault. We took more losses in the Arzad campaign than any other campaign we ever had. Imagine a small regiment of troops being pounded by a hostile Airforce and Artillery literally screaming on the radio for fire support.

In the end no matter how many harsh words are pushed out towards our allies it is best to understand where we are coming from. While many would look at our methods as crazy and reckless and even suicidal, the leadership of Amarrian Vengeance are no fools. Our strikes and campaigns are calculated risks. The ultimate goal really is system control.

While many a corporation in EVE pride themselves on silly things like killboard efficiency and billions of isk killed. We pride ourselves on solo kills, fighting against three to one odds and watching two words pop up in any Minmatar system: Amarr Victor. For those two words mean one thing and one thing only our goal has been achieved, another system has been reclaimed.

With this in mind and with the fall of Arzad it was time for a well earned break. A 3 month break to be exact as out killboards went blank and our corp chat went silent…….

The Angels Slept.

To Be Continued........

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2014-06-20 16:21:05 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
stuff.
I think when you read this stuff you have to understand it's from Stalking Mantis' perspective. THEY thought you were reeling from the Titan loss, and it gave them a reason to attack. It was likely the wrong reason to attack, but the attack was at the right time I guess. The fog of war and all that.

Agreed but the loss of Annah - CEO of Weazls and the main FC throughout the whole Minmatar militia was well known to the Amarr and must have factored in the decision. But it makes better reading to claim it was the Titan loss.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#107 - 2014-06-20 16:33:11 UTC
i didnt even know people made videos of arzad. those were nice to see and here kreiga and templar fc'ing.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-06-20 16:34:47 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
Iron Oxide Pilot POV


Thank You Sir,

For the first time ever the cover has been lifted off of the reall story of what was happening inside Iron Oxide before, during and after the Titan loss and I am deeply gratefull you chose to share it with us in this thread in particular.

As Xgal mentioned we really were on the outside looking in. I also made it clear in the posts I made (the ones you qouted) that most of it was assumption and analysis from bits and pieces of information here and there.

For what it's worth. All smack talk aside etc. You guys put up a hell of a fight.

In retrospect and after reading your above posts do I think we could have taken Arzad with Anaah Kitheran's corp still being in Arzad? Probably not. In fact I made this point to Fweddit command.

Again you have my deepest appreciation for bringing what you brought to light in this thread.

Regards,

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2014-06-20 16:39:50 UTC
I'd like to make some comments on the Arzad campaign.

First big GF.

Second, the fight was actually won by the likes of Amarrian Vengeance, Templar Dane, Mnemic and the general Amarr that spent so long fighting us in the weeks before and props to you. When Fweddit arrived on that Saturday afternoon, we had actually got the contestation level down to single figures. But we were absolutely exhaused by it. I personally had been taking days off work to run all nighters in the previous week.

So when Fweddit landed, there was like 9 or 12 of us online and we just collectively went - "F*ck it, they can have it" We logged off and took the weekend off, dropped from the Militia for a few days and moved our assets to Huola.

My biggest disappointment was the comments made by some Fweddit members who appeared to assume that nothing had been achieved until they arrived. That couldn't be further from the truth.

As far as the painting and the freighter of slaves - nobody in FeO saw any of that, we had logged off. It was a shame someone didn't let us know about the freighter, because we might have pulled together one last leeroy fleet for that.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#110 - 2014-06-20 16:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Id like to add a little bit too.

Dust played a massive role in the defense of arzad as well as the offense. dust would swing big percentages between our 2 fleets logging on and off. After arzad was said and done the dust players told the amarr they were busting out their "premium equipment" for arzad every fight. It was great to see that on the amarr's dominance dust would swing to our control as we lended orbital bombardment to help them out. When IO started to log in dust would swing back to minmatar as they did the same thing.

It was very misleading at times because in 1 shift we could swing the percentage of arzad almost 60% because of dust influence. and likewise IO would swing it right back down to practically 0%. the arzad campaign had 3 weekends. and on each of the peak's on the weekend we would get arzad to the upper 80% due to dust influence and we would scream for help. 2 times help never came. we pressed on as amarr militia assured us 'we would be there next time.' On the 3rd weekend through relentless bitching in the intels on mine and Templar Dane's part we finally got the rest of amarr militia to show up and STAY.

I'm pretty sure everybody who was in arzad through the long haul never wants to fight iron oxide again. gf guys.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2014-06-20 16:58:38 UTC
In Amarrian Vengeance we pride ourselves and our successful Campaigns by the Medals awarded to each member of our Campaigns.

With that in mind and keeping up the tradition Here is the Medal For The Arzad Campaign.

As a side note and for giving away almost 30 days of my life to this crappy game by taking time off of work for Arzad I was able to awarded the extremely rare and coveted 'Man With No Life' Medal. Thanks FHP I neckbearded hard for that one, the cans of soda and empty bags of chips where knee high next to my computer.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#112 - 2014-06-20 18:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
The DUST stuff is what I really remember. I was still getting started with the game when all of this was going on, and didn't consider myself skilled enough/ready for PvP, but I remember going to deliver OB ammo to the AVNG POS. That was my first minor interaction with you guys and my very tiny contribution to the campaign. :)

And for addition to the history, PIE also gave out a medal for the campaign--or rather, for the Sahtogas and Arzad campaigns. I looked to see if Black Watch Guard had one to post here as well but I couldn't find one.


The freighter thing though cast a negative light on the victory, at least for us in PIE. Dirty Sabik blood sacrifices! We mailed the Ministry of Internal Order dev actor about it and he wasn't very amused. :D Speaking from an out-of-character standpoint though it certainly was a notable way to top off the victory.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#113 - 2014-06-20 19:06:43 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
And for addition to the history, PIE also gave out a medal for the campaign--or rather, for the Sahtogas and Arzad campaigns.


FHP theirs is way cooler than ours. Just saying. (Seriously that's a nice inscription).

Next maybe not spend EVERYTHING on inquisitors and get a better medal shop to make the new ones.

For the rest of EVE reading this,

Alright enough circle jerking back to the story.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-06-20 21:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Interlude-Don’t Fear The Reaper

Stand out on the edge of the earth
Dive into the center of fate
Walk right in the sight of a gun
Look into the new future's face
I know you know enough to say
I know you know enough to play a game
30 Seconds To Mars


Do you think you have what it takes to be an Avenging Angel?

Before you answer that question I want to make it clear that many join our ranks but few stay.

It takes different type of person to do what we do. Where the natural instincts of people are to survive and avoid death as much as possible in Amarrian Vengeance we pride ourselves on the ability to throw ourselves into the fire again and again if need be. It is not suicide; quite the contrary throwing yourself back into the fight after dying is the very definition of immortality.

"Bushido is realized in the presence of death. This means choosing death whenever there is a choice between life and death. There is no other reasoning."
–Yamamoto Tsunetemo


How do you kill someone that has no life? Simple, by NOT attributing your little pixel ship as your life, you lose a frigate so what? Every loss is a learning experience; by avoiding losing in EVE what you really are doing is you are avoiding learning.

Our way of thinking is different from our enemies. Here are the things you must lose if you want to even consider joining us:

the ‘school of fish’ technique

It is a psychological weakness. It is a natural instinct used by prey to avoid predators. Our enemies have to wait outside our plexes to make sure EVERYONE is on the gate with them. Others have to spam militia chat with ‘any fleets?’ because they want to fight, but they would rather do it among a shield of meat reducing the odds that they lose their precious frigate. Like a Zebra hiding among a million others with it’s god given camoflouge. In essence you are already setting yourself to forever be in a psychological state of being the prey. Where a pack of wolves runs together to co operate in the hunt. The Zebras’ (or schools of fish) run together to reduce the chance that THEY are the ones that are eaten. There is a very fine line between the two.

Putting self before team

In essence you’re lacking heart to dive into the fray, you know what I’m talking about, deliberately delaying the warp of your ship juuuust a few more seconds after the command is given to warp into a hostile fleet. What you are doing here is putting yourself before the team. That extra three seconds of applied DPS can be the difference between breaking that target before the logi have time to lock and rep. So what is more important? achieving that or trying to save a pixel ship that will more than likely die when the rest of the fleet dies anyway? Watch this if you want to see it in action. The minmatar FC in that fleet had the perfect counter to the hostile fleet, armor HACS and guardians should have easily been able to hold the field but the lack of heart of his fleetmates cost not only the FC his ship but the whole engagement.

Let’s wait until we have the perfect counter


Annah Kitheran is notorious for this. It is a weakness really, you miss out on so many good fights when you only engage with the perfect counter because your enemies are not stupid, if all they see you do is ‘dunk’ your counterparts soon that ‘PvP’ you are chasing so badly will start avoiding you like the plague. There is a certain rush you get when you’re in warp to a fight you’re not sure of the outcome of. Where the outcome is decided in the fight not before it. While having the perfect counter might be important when wanting to achieve a bigger goal; if it becomes you’re the only way you will take a fight then you are really doing yourself a disservice in my opinon. Watch this fight. The Gallente could have easily outshipped for that fight. They did not because the rush of a close equal fight is where the fun is in PvP. See how fun that Video looks? Props to the pilots there they had a blast I'm sure.

Blob

Everyone is guilty of this. It is fun to run around with a fleet from time to time and gank someone sure. But don’t let this become a way of life in the long run. Remember when I said Agony unleashed changed me from a fleet puppy to a pvp’er? That’s what I meant.
At some point you are going to have to step out from under the shadow of a fleet and learn the ins and outs of combat. That is the only way you will grow as a pvper. Otherwise the most you will ever achieve in EVE is a long list of killmails where you are 3% damage on a 12 v 1 killmail.

The above mentioned are the things you will need to unlearn to join Amarrian Vengeance.

Still think you have what it takes? Take a leap of faith.

Join our public channel.

Now back to our story.

To be continued…..

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#115 - 2014-06-20 23:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Chapter 23 The Lions’ Den

Something has to change.
Un-deniable dilemma.
Boredom's not a burden
Anyone should bear.

Constant over stimulation numbs me
but I would not want you
any other way.
TOOL


There is one constant in the universe. That constant is change. After waking up from a three month hibernation I came to in Sahtogas station noticing something was wrong. Something smelled funny if you will. After catching up with a few friends in Intel channels I found out that after Amarrian Vengeance went into a slumber, and most of its members scattered to pursuits other than EVE the general consensus among all of my corpmates was that we were done with eve. The Arzad Campaign took too much out of everyone in AVNG and no one was in a rush to get back to EVE. As the weeks passed by it became apparent that AVNG really was over.

The vibes from FHP over steam chat were that everyone really was done with EVE. In our minds after taking Arzad we won EVE.

I undocked a frigate and went looking around the warzone for a fight. It didn’t take long to get one and after getting my first fix of the PvP shakes in three months I decided I still like the PvP in EvE way to much to give up on the game.

I dropped my corporation roles and drifted in and out of EVE alone in the NPC corporation of the 24th Imperial Crusade to make sure I had my PvP fix anytime I logged on. I actually dropped from a very large amount of Intell channels as well. Not being the most active during the three months that followed I soon found myself in a very familiar situation, this situation changed the three month ho-hum attitude.

Jumping into Kurn from Oyonata I noticed a few rifterlings pilots in local and a few plexes open. After a quick directional scan I saw two frigates in a small. Immediately calculating my vengeance would be able to sustain their dps I warped to the plex no soon as one of them landed a scram on me the inivitable happened, local spike! Ah it was a trap. Over heating my rockets I was able to kill one while spamming directional to see how much time I had before reinforcements landed. With one tackler down the other was not as confident to stay in scram range of the vengeance. Thinking this is my chance I warped to the IHUB for my escape just as another condor entered the plex. Thinking I got away I was only snickered at by the Gods of EVE as my ship bounced off the IHUB, slowing down proper realignment just long enough for the condor to land and point me as I was aligning out. The rest of his fleet soon landed, nothing extradonary only a slasher and a rifter for brawlers. The other two were condors. My Vengeance made short work with the slasher and rifter but the two condors proved to be a problem even with javelin rockets.

It seems another Amarrean Vengeance pilot got himself in another tight spot. And what happens when an Amarrian Vengeance pilot gets himself in a tight spot? Why they get saved by ILAW that’s what happens. (God have you people even been reading this thread? :D)

Shalee Lianne entered local and I saw her Slicer on scan. I typed in local that I need these two condors off my back at the IHUB and she swooped in and killed one before the other decided it had enough pew for the day. After thanking her and a few pleasant commentaries in local she asked why I left AVNG. I told her AVNG is kind of over. She waved at me and left bless her she saved me having to send the alt to amarr to buy another deadspace rep.

Then midwarp back to Sahtogas it dawned on me. Why Not ILAW?

I sent an application to Shalee Detailing in the application my love for long walks on the beach and listening to vocal trance while wearing bright green spandex and surprisingly we shared a lot more in common that I thought so she accepted my application. That and Shalee has one quality I refuse to NOT mention in this thread. YOU HAVE NOT LIVED UNTIL YOU HEARD HER SAY LACHESIS ON COMS.

All joking aside ILAW was the perfect fit really. So many FW veterans there I would feel right at home not wanting to take on any leadership role whatsoever. My time of leading ended with WBR. All I want to do now is PvP.

A few logistics taken care of and bam! Egglehende was home.

It seemed something has changed in the Amarr warzone during my absence though.

Something very interesting indeed.

To Be Continued……

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Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#116 - 2014-06-21 03:20:56 UTC
Major Trant wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Major Trant wrote:
stuff.
I think when you read this stuff you have to understand it's from Stalking Mantis' perspective. THEY thought you were reeling from the Titan loss, and it gave them a reason to attack. It was likely the wrong reason to attack, but the attack was at the right time I guess. The fog of war and all that.

Agreed but the loss of Annah - CEO of Weazls and the main FC throughout the whole Minmatar militia was well known to the Amarr and must have factored in the decision. But it makes better reading to claim it was the Titan loss.


We had been discussing it for weeks off and on, since we knew we had to wait for the farmers to do their thing. We nudged the farmers back on our side after capturing several systems and then dumping LP to get to tier 2. We then began a slow push towards tararan that lasted several days.

We had already planned to take tararan first so that allies would be able to base from a station next door to arzad. We always base out of a pos for faster reshipping but we knew many of the people that had shown support wouldn't be willing to do it.

The titan loss accelerated our plans, and many of the people that had shown some support were more willing to believe that it would succeed.

OH and also.......... Ourzad.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#117 - 2014-06-21 03:31:34 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:


Annah Kitheran is notorious for this. It is a weakness really, you miss out on so many good fights when you only engage with the perfect counter because your enemies are not stupid, if all they see you do is ‘dunk’ your counterparts soon that ‘PvP’ you are chasing so badly will start avoiding you like the plague. There is a certain rush you get when you’re in warp to a fight you’re not sure of the outcome of. Where the outcome is decided in the fight not before it. While having the perfect counter might be important when wanting to achieve a bigger goal; if it becomes you’re the only way you will take a fight then you are really doing yourself a disservice in my opinon. Watch this fight. The Gallente could have easily outshipped for that fight. They did not because the rush of a close equal fight is where the fun is in PvP. See how fun that Video looks? Props to the pilots there they had a blast I'm sure.


To be fair, the Amarr militia itself is a pretty hard counter to most fleet doctrines. The strength of conviction in our faith and purity of our lasers has won many more victories than I think most people realize.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#118 - 2014-06-21 03:56:22 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
[quote=Stalking Mantis]
To be fair, the Amarr militia itself is a pretty hard counter to most fleet doctrines. The strength of conviction in our faith and purity of our lasers has won many more victories than I think most people realize.


Well sometimes you have to take a step back and ask yourself a simple question. Why would I stick around a militia that is usually in Tier 1? it's not for the pay I can tell you that much.

Personally I love Tier 1. It means fights are never far, and let me tell you watching militia chat when we hit tiers 3 and 4 is just a mess. People screaming so and so is an awoxer and so and so is an LP theif. Pathetic really.

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Brullig
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#119 - 2014-06-21 04:40:21 UTC
His name was Scort Tofusin.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#120 - 2014-06-21 05:09:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Chapter 24 A Caged Lion

Being away from the game from May 2013 to almost October 2013 means simply I cannot with full confidence comment on anything that happened during my time away from EVE.

With that being said there was one significant change (significant to me at least) that happened in the Amarr/minmatar warzone during my hibernation that I will mention. Sahtogas, the long fabled graveyard of the minmatar, the pride and joy of the Amarr 7th fleet and Amarrean Vengeance was desecrated by the Godless and fell to the Minmatar somewhere during the Angels Sleep.

PIE picked up the slack thankfully and wherever the Godless overstep their boundaries I am happy that we have people Faithful enough to know when the line is crossed. PIE reclaimed Sahtogas while I was gone and for that again I find myself saluting them in this thread.

With Iron Oxide broken and licking their wounds in Houla, and LNA being LNa and sitting comfortably in Houla who had the audacity to tread Amarr holy ground in Sahtogas?

Let me take the liberty of linking that video again.

I remember the first thing that came to mind after coming back to EVE and watching that video. I thought to myself: That is a pretty effin bold statement right there.

From what I understand (again I might be mistaken) Biohazard is not a newcomer to the Minmatar militia they have always been around but never took center stage as a heavy hitter. Winmatar on the other hand, to me at least that’s a new name.

Going back to their killboards, the Entity known as Winmatar seems to have exploded onto the Amar/Minmatar scene in August 2013 as no records show before that. Was it a new website? A new killboard who knows but I think we can all agree here that August 2013 is when they really stepped out of the shadows and started making a lot of noise.

I had to see for myself and actively looked for Winmatar pilots to PvP with. For someone boasting such a bold statement as they did in that video I had to see for myself what all the hype was about.

Some things can only be seen within web range. Within that range you can really look out of your ship and see the opposing pilot eye to eye and look deep down his soul to see his true metal as a warrior.

After a few skirmishes with some Winmatar pilots and watching a few of their fleets in action I came to a simple conclusion; everyone in Winmatar from the top down displayed all the things I mentioned in my Interlude (between chapters 22 and 23).

I saw past the bold statement made in that video I linked.

The desecration of Sahtogas by these pilots did not sit well with me at all. But for the time being to much contemplation on this insult would turn me into a caged lion pacing back and forth as if probing a looking for a way to get out and tear everyone that wronged him apart. That was not healthy because I was In ILAW now, I was already in the Lions Den. So I decided to bury that wound to my pride deep, less I would become a caged Lion in the Lions den and that was not something I wanted to dwell upon.

I was an ILAW pilot and it was time I gave ILAW 110% of what I had because it would only be proper for me to repay them for all the times they helped my old corpmates out.

So the insult was buried, not forgotten but buried. Now was not the time for this wound, now was the time to become an Imperial Outlaw.

To be continued…….

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