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shooting pods that have GCC will be legal. SoundWave approved. But when ?

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2011-11-22 15:25:27 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Anyone who takes the risk of getting GCC should also take the risk of loosing his pod and his implants.


Yeah, I sure empty my wallet getting a set of +5 before I go out shooting pods.

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#62 - 2011-11-22 17:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
Here's an idea - just get rid of Concord entirely, then watch and see what happens to EvE.
Should be fun - for 2 or 3 months.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2011-11-22 17:41:43 UTC

Thorn, there's a really really small chance that it would balance itself out.

That said and thinking about all the crybabies we have in highsec,
the chance is actually non existent. ^^

Okay okay, not ALL of them are crybabies.
Definitly not.
Just the overwhelming majority. ^^
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#64 - 2011-11-22 18:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
Shooting temporary-GCC'd pods would be enjoyable - but it wouldn't do much to curb suicide ganks (gankers would just go without implants).

It might cause issues in lo-sec fights where you choose to temporarily go GCC in order to engage a low-standing or neutral pilot (for NBSI RoE). Now, not only will everyone be free to shoot at you for going GCC, but they'll also be able to take shots at your pod without becoming GCC.

Could be good, could be bad.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2011-11-22 18:41:12 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.


the same can be said for gankers killing untankable retrievers and covetors

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#66 - 2011-11-22 19:08:54 UTC
This is an interesting idea... to be honest I thought you could pod a GCCed person without Concord getting involved.


If a person gets a GCC, you can shoot his ship (legally).

If he switches to another ship, you can shoot that ship too (legally).

So why can't we shoot the pod (legally), which is just another ship?
Jetset Movashaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2011-11-22 21:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jetset Movashaka
Solstice Project wrote:
... in highsec.

It makes no sense to me that i'm not legally allowed to shoot a pilots pod,
when the pilot just ganked a miner in a belt ... for example.

He's a criminal, as the GCC states, so he should be a legal target to shoot at.


It's called "Vigilantism".

Corina Jarr wrote:
This is an interesting idea... to be honest I thought you could pod a GCCed person without Concord getting involved.


If a person gets a GCC, you can shoot his ship (legally).

If he switches to another ship, you can shoot that ship too (legally).

So why can't we shoot the pod (legally), which is just another ship?


Can't take it too literally, but you can disable a criminal's car, you can disable a criminal's mobility (ie: shot to the leg), but you can't actually kill the criminal, in most cultures/laws/etc. Not unless it's under certain circumstances, and in self defense. Pods don't have weapons, ergo... Just an example.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#68 - 2011-11-22 21:19:11 UTC
Jetset Movashaka wrote:


Corina Jarr wrote:
This is an interesting idea... to be honest I thought you could pod a GCCed person without Concord getting involved.


If a person gets a GCC, you can shoot his ship (legally).

If he switches to another ship, you can shoot that ship too (legally).

So why can't we shoot the pod (legally), which is just another ship?


Can't take it too literally, but you can disable a criminal's car, you can disable a criminal's mobility (ie: shot to the leg), but you can't actually kill the criminal, in most cultures/laws/etc. Not unless it's under certain circumstances, and in self defense. Pods don't have weapons, ergo... Just an example.

Fair point.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2011-11-22 23:54:29 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Shooting temporary-GCC'd pods would be enjoyable - but it wouldn't do much to curb suicide ganks (gankers would just go without implants).

It might cause issues in lo-sec fights where you choose to temporarily go GCC in order to engage a low-standing or neutral pilot (for NBSI RoE). Now, not only will everyone be free to shoot at you for going GCC, but they'll also be able to take shots at your pod without becoming GCC.

Could be good, could be bad.


Most people in lowsec will engage you this or that way anyway,
and they will or will not shoot your pod, with all it's consequences.

They're in lowsec for a reason. I understand your point,
but it doesn't really matter there anyway.


Corina Jarr wrote:
Can't take it too literally, but you can disable a criminal's car, you can disable a criminal's mobility (ie: shot to the leg), but you can't actually kill the criminal, in most cultures/laws/etc. Not unless it's under certain circumstances, and in self defense. Pods don't have weapons, ergo... Just an example.



Sorry, but you really don't have any point,
because what you are talking about is "out of game",
and we are "in game" here.


In other words:

We have our own culture.
We have our own laws.

We never really die anyway.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#70 - 2011-11-23 00:42:43 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
Translation =

Please let me kill unarmed pods in high sec without repercussion, as I am too scared to go into low sec or null. Plus my KB is terribad and I could use some help.


So you have a problem when people kill UNARMED stuff?

But you gank haulers&miners?

Since when are haulers&miners are ARMED??????

Nother profe how brainless most gankers are ...... *sig*.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2011-11-23 00:48:11 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Shooting temporary-GCC'd pods would be enjoyable - but it wouldn't do much to curb suicide ganks (gankers would just go without implants).

It might cause issues in lo-sec fights where you choose to temporarily go GCC in order to engage a low-standing or neutral pilot (for NBSI RoE). Now, not only will everyone be free to shoot at you for going GCC, but they'll also be able to take shots at your pod without becoming GCC.

Could be good, could be bad.


I like the idea.

It adds a penalty where there are very few penalties and the lowsec concerns really aren't much to worry about.

If you go to lowsec, you expect others to try for your pod as you try to get out of there so additional risks would be minimal. Also, if you are nailing neutrals and low standings folks - you are "ganking" them so the added pod GCC penalty fits. Why should such activities be protected by sec status hits?

If you're going to gank - be it against a pirate type or against a miner - you should accept risks that it can backfire on you.

Those that say it won't stop the activities are right and, as such, it opens up a new type of highsec group and new options for "hiring mercs" to help protect.

PS: med clone insurance isn't that cheap for some so the additional few million for a pod... To hell with "implants", there are "isk sink" costs associated with this idea as well as game play changes.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2011-11-23 09:26:57 UTC
Mocam wrote:
Those that say it won't stop the activities are right and, as such, it opens up a new type of highsec group and new options for "hiring mercs" to help protect.



*nods* :)
Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#73 - 2011-11-23 10:57:39 UTC
I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2011-11-23 11:01:26 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Nother profe how brainless most gankers are ...... *sig*.


shouldn't call people brainless when you can't spell meight

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2011-11-23 11:02:27 UTC
Raneru wrote:
I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.




Yes, but it would stop the station humping "hi-sec PvPers" that like to sit in docking range in brick Proteuses and Vindi and such with slave implants.

I would LOVE for the GCC flag to transfer to pods.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#76 - 2011-11-23 11:06:44 UTC
Players who voluntarily shoot other players aren't adverse to risk, but are also well-versed in the ways of minimizing it. Someone who destroys your ship is prepared to lose his own, and on top of that, is prepared to lose his pod. On top of this, it isn't a difficult task to save your pod from any threat in high-sec, aside from smartbombs.

This change would be inconsequential, aside from negatively affecting the noobies, as a previous poster has stated.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#77 - 2011-11-23 11:08:11 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Raneru wrote:
I would guess that one of the reasons for not allowing pods to be killed legally is to help new players. They accidentally get themselves concorded and find themselves sitting in a pod saying "wtf?". What they generally don't want is someone coming along and also podding them, probably costing them SP.




Yes, but it would stop the station humping "hi-sec PvPers" that like to sit in docking range in brick Proteuses and Vindi and such with slave implants.

I would LOVE for the GCC flag to transfer to pods.

Why would anyone who is currently piloting a Proteus or a Vindicator get a GCC?

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2011-11-23 11:17:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Nother profe how brainless most gankers are ...... *sig*.


shouldn't call people brainless when you can't spell meight



dict.leo.org doesn't give me any translation for "meight".

Do you actually mean "mate" ?

Are you sure you're spelling it right ? ^^



Anyway ...

I see. Podding noobs who GCC would be a problem,
but on other hand there's a ban for canflipping in starter systems,
so this ban could be extended to "podding noobs",
which would seem to leverage the problem ... no ?
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2011-11-23 11:28:52 UTC
yep, sounds good to me, +1.

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When its a pod!

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Commander Spurty
#80 - 2011-11-23 12:45:31 UTC
Criminals wanted: *DEAD or ALIVE*

Either allow podding or give us tools to put their pod in our cargo bay for 15 mins (the abuse, that's what eve is all about)!!!

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