EVE General Discussion

I remember those times when one mistake would wipe out the raiding partying just breaking into Plane of Fear. And then you prayed that your group would be able to find another raiding party to break into the plane and get you summoned back to your gear without that second party adding to the carnage your first party caused...

Meanwhile, you already decided sleep was out for that night and after regaining your gear and getting out of there, went about your regular daily routine of school or work (or both), feeling like a zombie and knowing potential riches were in your grasp but alas, one mistake ruined it all.

*nostalgia*

Is that before or after I've made you drink the Disinfectant?

Iv said it before and and ill say it again, EvE is the only interesting MMo out there.

And if you player-killed enough you'd be red for several deaths.
And you'd respawn in Floran Village which was a dead obvious PK area and people camped it to kill PKs over and over.
And the crafting system was utterly stupid where you'd need 2 recipes and anything of medium grade or up had only a 60% to succeed, and in the case of failure all your materials would get destroyed.
You'd get 0.01% exp for 1000 mobs and then some clan that decided they want the farming spot more would gank you and you'd lose 0.5% exp. No silly flags or area flipping, if you wanted a farming zone you had to be on 24/7 to keep it that way.
Debuffs were harsh, anchor would immobilize you for 30 seconds in game where your average char dies in 4 hits.

Lineage 2 was my arch nemesis which I let beat me mercilessly with consent.

I have played plenty of MMO's and I personally think EVE is tough and hardcore, but EVE should not be in the #1 spot on that list. Maybe 4th or 5th, but not 1st.

Eve has a rough learning curve because many of the mechanics are different from other MMOs and that gives the illusion of being "very complicated and hardcore", but most of the mechanics are pretty simple once you learn them. A prime example of this is Jump Clones. They can be pretty confusing to most players because in most MMOs you don't have more than one body, but once you learn about how Jump Clones work it is easy to see just how simple they are. An outsider to the game might view jump clones as "complicated and hardcore", but they really are not. Its just unfamiliar mechanics.


As far as being the most "hardcore" due to permanently losing your stuff, this is not really true as much as outsiders to the game might think it is because is is VERY easy to get your stuff back. Sure you lose your ships when you die, but who honestly pvps in their top ship? Most people rat in a ship that can pull in 15 to 20 mil every 15 minutes, and then pvp in a throwaway 10 mil ship. Its no big deal if you lose 10 of the throwaway pvp ships. Sure if you lose your main ship it will stink, but most even halfway competent players wont lose their main ratting ships, and even if you do you should have ratted enough to easily replace it.

And for those that still say that EVE is hardcore due to permanent ship loss, you can just buy everything back with PLEX!



EDIT: All that being said, EVE is still a really really good game!!!!!

There is crying in lots of MMOs. Anyone who cries about losing a ship is probably relatively new or just lazy. Simply ratting a few hours each week gives enough money to replace most ships, and if you do lose a billion isk ship and can't replace it, it is your own fault for buying it before you can afford it. If you cant replace it a few times over, you should not fly it.

lol, Eve is simple once you learn it, but it is anything but newbie accessible. The starting tutorials need a massive overhaul. Most new players don't understand eve and sum it up as eve being to "complicated or hardcore" when it is simply that things are not explained in an easy to understand way. Most things in eve are not hardcore, just confusing but relatively easy.

Not really case closed. Is the game complex and confusing to a new player? Hell Yes. Is once you play the game for a few months is it really that much more hard core than other MMOs? No it is not.

Giving the ILLUSION of being hard core due to a confusing new player tutorial system and excessive hype due to losing ships, is not the same thing as ACTUALLY being hard core.

I think the issue about cost of PvP ships revolves around how long they last in PvP versus how long they take to replace.

How long they last will partly depend on whether they are solo or in a fleet and what they are used for.

A Catalyst or 'nado in a suicide gank gang dies in under a minute but pays for itself straight away.

A faction frigate or AF solo can last from half an hour to a week or more and takes 10-20 minutes of level IV missioning to replace.

On the other hand a Bhargest solo in losec will die relatively quickly and would take a night or more of incursions or several nights of Level IVs to replace.

The more I read Kaarous and others talk about how UO was, the more it makes me want to play it (although impossible at this point).