EVE General Discussion

I, too, agree with the laser focus on Dust.

Wonder if we might see a Walking On Planets (totally different from Walking In Stations)



Though, every now and then, you do see the "magic pvp arena (ps: only pvp in area tks)" suggestions pop up.

If it's not the hardest, most complex, deepest and most meaningfull in terms of player impact,
then I'd like to know what else to play.


Thanks!

I have played a number of MMOs and games going back to diku muds and other such dark terrible things.

Often forgotten is the fact that Everquest was originally a bit of a cult MMO, it was pretty hardcore in that you had to work as a team and it was quite hard plus death hurt, if someone screwed up you could all die. If you died you could lose all your stuff or have to run a long way for it or somehow get it summoned and then rezed to regain some exp, sometimes this was a quest in itself.

It had player run markets and item creation it had PVP options and some (nasty and hard) PVP servers which basically had areas similar to gatecamps in eve and some of your stuff could be looted, making a run through these was hectic experience.

It had devastating raids, stuff the developers never expected players to beat. Most of all it had some of the first big fun and organised player organisations which then defeated everything the developers tried to throw at them and you can trace this to eve I think this culture is still alive today.

Unfortunately later on they (SOE *SPIT*) started making it easier and 'gearing it towards the masses' they also started milking people with subscription PLUS crap expansions you basically had to pay for to keep playing competitively/ actively that added more and more rewards advantages and made the game far less challenging. It pretty much became what most crappy MMOs are today.

So when eve said 'never pay for expansions' this was why. When older players get upset over pay to win /dumbing down / grindfests this is why.

'Am surprised http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Online didn't make the article.

Weak

Hardcore Mode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Ghouls_%27n_Ghosts

I would trade Eve for a modern UO anyday.

What's funny is Eve isn't even really that hardcore. Its mostly PVE, Alts, and a numbers game. PvP is generally dictated based off of numbers, most who engage in PvP do so only against defenseless targets(miners, haulers, etc) or only with superior numbers.

Loss is a bit harsh, but also depends on perspective and scale. In many "noob fantasy" mmos when you die you need to spend gold to repair, in Eve you need to spend ISK to buy a new ship. Same principle different scale, not really that hardcore of a difference. Scamming, Awoxing, Corp theft. etc is really what makes Eve "hardcore" however it also isn't what I would consider a good selling point either. In a game that is dependant on numbers and being part of a group, yet promoting general asshattery and paranoia of everyone, seems like a contradiction.

Neither, it makes people avoid player interaction. Which is why there are so many solo miners/missionaries, 1man corps, NPC corp players, and alts.

Dyam, need some baking soda to neutralize that post.

Eve has the most amount of social interaction what I have seen. Yes other MMO games are forcing people to "interact" with each other. This interaction means running throught dungeons and raids as fast as possible without saying a word. If any words are said they are about telling how bad someone plays.

EVE has the most advanced chat channel system of any MMO game. Can you mention any MMO game that has language based channels for almost all world languages? One very important feature in EVE chat channels is ability to share links. EVE has two radio channels connected to EVE chat channels.

Eve has the best forums I have seen. Lots of interesting topics opening each week.

It's pity that EVE online social upgrade failed so bad. Social upgrade means Incarna. That would have brought social interaction to even bigger role in EVE.

Other MMO games build walls around players. These walls are called dungeons, raids, PVP arenas, servers with low player population and so on. EVE is one big sandbox. Everyone is on same server. Only Chinese have their own server. There are no walls in EVE. Even in station you are on local chat channel and lots of stuff happen there. Someone can scam you while you are sitting in Captain Quarters.

Lots of MMO games have level system that set people completely different power levels. This limits cooperation possibilities. Servers have people with different power levels and they basically can't interact with each other much. EVE has passive skill training system but this skill system has only limited effect on performance and new players can cooperate with old players.

Social interaction isn't all about joining in corporation. I hope you noticed that now.

Edit:

Here are some reading about walls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instance_dungeon

BTW: Ninja looting rocks big time!

I would say It's a good tie for first, with a game that didn't even get on their radar.

I was in the closed beta for 10Six, now known as Project Visitor, and that would be the other to share the #1 spot.

The basic concept of the game is that a rouge planet rich with resources came into our solar system and got caught in orbit of our sun. for the most part it's a FPS, with top down controls when in your own camp. You get a piece of land with 5 vents which you mine, this is how you buy stuff to build and what not. Once you venture out of your camp, you can be attacked and lose your camp 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - regardless of if you are online or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ampre/Project_Visitor

It is recognized as the worlds first MMO. The name 10six stood for 10^6 or 1,000,000 people on one server. it was shut down by Sega when they abandoned P.C. content. Then it was purchased by the player base who maintained, patched, and improved it over the years. They recently added free play, and are working to add PvE elements. There was talk about Microsoft buying the game, not sure if anything became of it.

http://www.projectvisitor.com/

EvE is way more new player friendly then this game was back in it's early days.