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In what ship to haul other ships (packed)
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Neverdie Abbot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-06-14 07:26:51 UTC
Hallo,
ATM im doing it in bestower, but there i can put up to 4 -5 packed ships (12.5k m3), and the value of thoes are close to 100 mil.
So im looking for an upgread - in what ship can i put in more ships and i wouldnt be ganked ? I know a freighter, but that`s still too long in the que for my plans.

Maybe an Orca, if has a reasonable cargo hold. but how about hte ganking risks?
Thank you.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#2 - 2014-06-14 07:49:15 UTC
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
and i wouldnt be ganked ?


.......... if you find out let me know Lol
For not training long, probably your best bet is a T2 hauler like an Inpel I guess, then armor the heck out of it, forget cargo expansion. Otherwise just go capital freighter. Orca? that's a big soft target too.

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Neverdie Abbot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-06-14 08:02:38 UTC
Hey,
Thank you for the tip.
Looked at Impel and saw the 50 k m3 Fleet Hanger Capacity, looks like it`s designed for what i need.
Now i just need to fit it with most tank posible :)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-06-14 08:05:20 UTC
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
Hey,
Thank you for the tip.
Looked at Impel and saw the 50 k m3 Fleet Hanger Capacity, looks like it`s designed for what i need.
Now i just need to fit it with most tank posible :)

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Neverdie Abbot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-06-14 08:26:42 UTC
What modules do you intend to overheat ?
TY.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-14 10:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
What modules do you intend to overheat ?
TY.


tank modules. Deep Space transports gets a bonus to overheating propulsion and tank modules so if you get ganked you can overheat and with luck outlast the enemy until concord comes.

A brief look at pfya suggests that a all 5 you could get a 629hps active tank with over 70% resists across the board, and its cap stable.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-14 12:28:10 UTC
You can also mwd+cloak a dst. Safer and faster.

Also, consider warp speed rigs to reduce travel boredom.

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Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-14 12:38:37 UTC
I've moved ships in a bestower before and had moderate success*

Had our CEO use his to transport a POS tower from Jita..... he made around 1km before he was popped like a sweaty boil. They are flying bags of air even covered in tank.

The Orca can be tanked ok-ish if you dont get hit by more than 2 people. its a 600 million isk target however.



*disclaimer, in high sec, with no war dec at around 11am UK time. And I didn't die!
Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#9 - 2014-06-14 15:59:57 UTC
Um, 12.5k m3 is pretty small, I can fit my Tayra with 4 T2 Cargo expanders and 3 of those cargo rigs to get just above 30k m3 cargo capacity. Or go for 7k m3 for a massive shield tank and 4 stabs or inertial stabilizers.

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Neverdie Abbot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-06-14 16:20:13 UTC
12.5 k m3 atm is enough, because i fit up to 100 mil isk owrth of ships, and im not gowing over that due to ganking risk.
That`s why 50 k Impal has is more then enough, it`s the tank i`m looking for, for not to be ganked.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2014-06-14 17:49:51 UTC
For low value stuff (less than 50 million in combined value) a tanky Tech 1 hauler should fill your needs.

When you want to carry more expensive and/or high-volume things then you want...

- a Blockade Runner. Fully cargo-fit they can move a cruiser and some change around. And they can cloak, making movement of high-value items a breeze (as long as you do not Auto-Pilot). I highly recommend one for anyone who PvPs as it makes short range re-deployments significantly easier.

- Orcas. With a cargohold of 35k cubic meters (~50k with cargohold expanders), a "fleet bay" with an additional 40k cubic meters, and a ship maintenance bay that can hold 400k cubic meters (see: a battlecruiser and some frigates), it is perfect for resupplying a PvPer's ships.
You easily top 200k with a T2 Damage Control and some shield resistance mods... more if you slap on some reinforced bulkheads. And it can also be fit to use a 100mn MWD (pulse it for one cycle when you initiate warp, when it ends you will instantly go into warp).

How did you Veterans start?
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-06-14 17:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
The best defense against ganking for T1 haulers is using the MWD+cloak trick. It will be difficult to lock you in low-sec and virtually nobody will touch you in high.

Only certain haulers can fit properly for this (10mn MWD and Improved Cloak II), but I know the Badger can and with a full compliment of cargo rigs and modules it can fit well over 12.5k m3. If you can spare some low slots for warp stabs then do it, just in case a fast-locking T3 cruiser or frigate points you in the small window of opportunity they have.

Having a tank in high-sec might help with gankers, but it means very little in low-sec where Concord won't save you.
Neverdie Abbot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-06-14 21:24:52 UTC
Ok, If i have to transfer let`s say 600 - 800 mil isk worth of ships, only throught HI sec. What would be a better choise: a full Tank Impel fit or a tank Orca?
and by better i mean - safer, i wouldn`t be ganked.
Thank you.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#14 - 2014-06-14 22:23:41 UTC
Well, when I say "soft target" about the Orca, I'm speaking of it's desirability for the kill mail.
So the question might be, if you had an Orca and an Impel side by side with identical cargo, which would get popped first? Pirate

I kinda think the Orca, people will go out of their way to pop it it seems. And yes, there is the BR, but that is a more desirable target too, and since they cant cargo scan you so they just assume your hold if full of PLEX until proven otherwise.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2014-06-14 23:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
Ok, If i have to transfer let`s say 600 - 800 mil isk worth of ships, only throught HI sec. What would be a better choise: a full Tank Impel fit or a tank Orca?
and by better i mean - safer, i wouldn`t be ganked.
Thank you.

Well... let us crunch the numbers.

[Orca, Semi-AFK Tank]

Damage Control II
Inertia Stabilizers II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Effective Hitpoints: ~215k
Cargohold (in m3): ~37k cargohold + 40k fleet hanger = 77k total space + 400k maintenance bay
Align time: 30 seconds
Note: You can increase the cargohold up to 60k but at the cost of 100k EHP.


[Impel, Semi-AFK Tank]

Damage Control II
Energized EM Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Inertia Stabilizers II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Effective Hitpoints: ~110k
Cargohold (in m3): 3100 cargohold + 62k fleet hanger = 65k total space
Align time: ~16 seconds
Note: I tried to fit a 1600 plate on this ship but it requires too much powergrid and resulted in less overall EHP.



[Catalyst, Cheapo Suicide Ganker]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Damage per second: 330 (380 overheated)
Total market value: 1.6 million
Damage over 20 seconds (time for CONCORD response in 0.5 system): ~7600... assuming perfect application



Orca: 215,000 / 7,600 = 28.29 Catalysts required to gank... costing ~45 million in operational cost/risk for the gankers.
Impel: 110,000 / 7600 = 14.47 Catalysts required to gank... costing ~23 million in operational cost/risk for the gankers.

Notes:

- remember that any loot from your ship has a 50% drop rate. For the best possible profit margin gankers will look for cargo that is double the operational costs/risk they put into the gank.

- do not just look at the cost... getting the extra people required to kill an Orca is quite hard (this cannot be emphasized enough... "herding cats" is an applicable term) and sometimes just not worthwhile... especially when there are other, less tanky prey around.

How did you Veterans start?
Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2014-06-14 23:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
Ok, If i have to transfer let`s say 600 - 800 mil isk worth of ships, only throught HI sec. What would be a better choise: a full Tank Impel fit or a tank Orca?
and by better i mean - safer, i wouldn`t be ganked.
Thank you.


You can be ganked anywhere at anytime if the group targeting you is bored enough or you are breaking one of their rules.

Safe is a relative term. You can only take precautions when flying a ship, you can't be safe.

You can however outsource the freight job and over collateralize so that if something does go wrong in the move you profit from it. This solution I would consider safe but also takes the most forethought and patience.

I prefer that fast align Orca as you would have to be pretty lucky to catch someone with one that is paying attention. I know it is not safe but then again, I can afford to lose as much as I haul so I don't fret too much. If you can't afford to lose it, you shouldn't be moving it.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-06-15 00:16:18 UTC
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
Ok, If i have to transfer let`s say 600 - 800 mil isk worth of ships, only throught HI sec. What would be a better choise: a full Tank Impel fit or a tank Orca?
and by better i mean - safer, i wouldn`t be ganked.
Thank you.


Simple...Red FrogP

Set 1 bil collateral and let them take care of the risky part of the trip.
Even if they do get ganked, you have profit.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#18 - 2014-06-15 07:25:20 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Neverdie Abbot wrote:
Ok, If i have to transfer let`s say 600 - 800 mil isk worth of ships, only throught HI sec. What would be a better choise: a full Tank Impel fit or a tank Orca?
and by better i mean - safer, i wouldn`t be ganked.
Thank you.

Well... let us crunch the numbers.


If you want to play with the numbers then fit transverse bulkheads and you get 381K EHP to your Orca, sure it will align like it's pregnant name sake but I highly doubt many are going to bring enough fire power to down it in high sec.

Orca has a gigantic structure, make use of it.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-06-15 07:30:10 UTC
depending on the ship and your industry skills it may be easier to haul blueprint copies and a few large smartbombs or mwds.

I should buy an Ishtar.