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Interceptor Role Change

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Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#1 - 2014-06-13 14:51:21 UTC
While I love the Immunity to Bubbles, lets face it moving aroound 0.0 with impunity is while desirable it is maybe at present slightly Over Powerful. I am suggesting keeping one of the Inties Bubble immune, but slow it down in warp speed, and making one not Bubble immune but faster through warp, probably at present warp speed, having both as present mak
TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-06-13 16:00:12 UTC
Bubble immunity is fine on T3s and interceptors, but overpower (according to some members of CCP) on Deep Space Transports (the non-cloaky one).

The problem is not the interdiction nullification on interceptors, its that interceptors do too much DPS. When you can get same or similar DPS from an interceptor compared to assault frigs, there is a problem. Yes assault frigs are tanks, but they should be notably stronger than interceptors.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#3 - 2014-06-13 20:09:45 UTC
Vicar2008 wrote:
While I love the Immunity to Bubbles, lets face it moving aroound 0.0 with impunity is while desirable it is maybe at present slightly Over Powerful. I am suggesting keeping one of the Inties Bubble immune, but slow it down in warp speed, and making one not Bubble immune but faster through warp, probably at present warp speed, having both as present mak


They only fly around with impunity because of the nullsec fascination with only fitting long points on everything and generally equipping their own interceptors with extreme paper tank shitfits.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-06-13 20:35:41 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Bubble immunity is fine on T3s and interceptors, but overpower (according to some members of CCP) on Deep Space Transports (the non-cloaky one).

The problem is not the interdiction nullification on interceptors, its that interceptors do too much DPS. When you can get same or similar DPS from an interceptor compared to assault frigs, there is a problem. Yes assault frigs are tanks, but they should be notably stronger than interceptors.

I'd really like to see an inty match the DPS and EHP of a brawling Enyo.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#5 - 2014-06-13 21:36:32 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
While I love the Immunity to Bubbles, lets face it moving aroound 0.0 with impunity is while desirable it is maybe at present slightly Over Powerful. I am suggesting keeping one of the Inties Bubble immune, but slow it down in warp speed, and making one not Bubble immune but faster through warp, probably at present warp speed, having both as present mak


They only fly around with impunity because of the nullsec fascination with only fitting long points on everything and generally equipping their own interceptors with extreme paper tank shitfits.



So what you suggest is fitting an interceptor in a way so it can withstand the dps of several other ceptors, go faster than those ceptors, and then pick out one of the hostile ceptors to scram while the others will happily speed along?

Yeah, i think that's totally the solution and counter to interceptors, and one actually has to wonder why noone has it figured out yet!



Basically, Ceptor-mobilty is incredible high. To catch one he actually has to f up. They're so fast aligning you're hardly getting a lock on them before they warp off.
They they warp at a speed where nothing can keep up with them, except for other ceptors. And maybe rigged dictors.
Then they cannot get bubbled.
And then, even if they feel like not warping off, they can still crash a gate. As i said, their aligning is so good they go up to ~4km/s before you can apply a scram if you sit right on them, which will be enough to carry them into jumprange.


I'm by all means not saying that they're op. It's just that it's usually wasted energy to start a pursuit.

I, for one, like the proposed change.
Bubble immunity on the one line,
long points and high warp-speed on the other line.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-13 22:44:26 UTC
Perhaps split the warp speed and bubble immunity?

One hull gets faster align and warp speed, the other gets bubble immunity (and a slightly faster align time than other frigate hulls).

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#7 - 2014-06-13 22:53:43 UTC
Yea! Screw those Interceptors that are working like they should! Roll
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-06-13 22:57:28 UTC
Oh noes! Neuts and damps are so hard to fit and the Algos and Dragoon are such long trains! Whatever will I do!
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#9 - 2014-06-13 23:21:56 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Oh noes! Neuts and damps are so hard to fit and the Algos and Dragoon are such long trains! Whatever will I do!

I feel your pain my poor downtrodden friend, don't worry the mean Interceptor can't hurt you here. This is a safe place.

I suggest that you create your own thread about the ships that beat you up, then other people who have been abused will come in and agree with you and make you feel better. Also, never change your fit. Always whine that the other ship is OP, has no counter, is too easy, etc... This kind of dumbassery is highly loved by the internet. Smile

Have a nice day
Ohhhh Feely Nice
Feely Good Logistics
#10 - 2014-06-14 04:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ohhhh Feely Nice
Domanique Altares wrote:
Vicar2008 wrote:
While I love the Immunity to Bubbles, lets face it moving aroound 0.0 with impunity is while desirable it is maybe at present slightly Over Powerful. I am suggesting keeping one of the Inties Bubble immune, but slow it down in warp speed, and making one not Bubble immune but faster through warp, probably at present warp speed, having both as present mak


They only fly around with impunity because of the nullsec fascination with only fitting long points on everything and generally equipping their own interceptors with extreme paper tank shitfits.

Shitposter makes a shitpost. How surprising.

No, they fly around with impunity because they are bubble-immune, align in under 2 seconds, and can fit enough tank to withstand half a dozen BS smartbombing it as it lands on a gate.



+1. Decreasing warp speed of the bubble-immune interceptor vessel would help balance it out a bit.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#11 - 2014-06-14 05:30:07 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Oh noes! Neuts and damps are so hard to fit and the Algos and Dragoon are such long trains! Whatever will I do!


If you promise to not tell anyone, I would tell him to just launch a counter ceptor gang to kill the others, but I know effort and stuff..

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2014-06-14 07:08:47 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:

Shitposter makes a shitpost. How surprising.


NPC corp forum alt talks big. How surprising.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#13 - 2014-06-14 07:10:25 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:


So what you suggest is fitting an interceptor in a way so it can withstand the dps of several other ceptors, go faster than those ceptors, and then pick out one of the hostile ceptors to scram while the others will happily speed along?



I'm suggesting you stop being ******* terrible and catch and kill inties like everyone does who doesn't live in nullsec and never caught them in bubbles in the first place.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#14 - 2014-06-14 07:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Oh look, it's a another post complaining about bubble nullification.

Cepters are fine. They're paper thin and will melt if you have some precision missiles or warrior IIs(the later should be standard anti cepter armaments). And aside from some rather sketchy claims from some EVE university guys(seeing their doctrine fits has left me scarred for life) I've seen lowsec gate camps able to get around the problem since time immemorial. I have no idea why nullbears are whining so much about this. Oh wait, it's cause the blue donut isn't safe for all bear kind.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:


So what you suggest is fitting an interceptor in a way so it can withstand the dps of several other ceptors, go faster than those ceptors, and then pick out one of the hostile ceptors to scram while the others will happily speed along?



I'm suggesting you stop being ******* terrible and catch and kill inties like everyone does who doesn't live in nullsec and never caught them in bubbles in the first place.


Finally someone who knows what I'm talking about. Couple of Sebo IIs go a long way.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#15 - 2014-06-14 08:12:42 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Oh look, it's a another post complaining about bubble nullification.

Cepters are fine. They're paper thin and will melt if you have some precision missiles or warrior IIs(the later should be standard anti cepter armaments). And aside from some rather sketchy claims from some EVE university guys(seeing their doctrine fits has left me scarred for life) I've seen lowsec gate camps able to get around the problem since time immemorial. I have no idea why nullbears are whining so much about this. Oh wait, it's cause the blue donut isn't safe for all bear kind.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Syrias Bizniz wrote:


So what you suggest is fitting an interceptor in a way so it can withstand the dps of several other ceptors, go faster than those ceptors, and then pick out one of the hostile ceptors to scram while the others will happily speed along?



I'm suggesting you stop being ******* terrible and catch and kill inties like everyone does who doesn't live in nullsec and never caught them in bubbles in the first place.


Finally someone who knows what I'm talking about. Couple of Sebo IIs go a long way.


+1 This. Well Said Sir.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-06-14 11:41:40 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Bubble immunity is fine on T3s and interceptors, but overpower (according to some members of CCP) on Deep Space Transports (the non-cloaky one).

The problem is not the interdiction nullification on interceptors, its that interceptors do too much DPS. When you can get same or similar DPS from an interceptor compared to assault frigs, there is a problem. Yes assault frigs are tanks, but they should be notably stronger than interceptors.


The close range ceptors are dead in the water with just 1 neut or 1 Web/Scram on your ship. And Crow/Maledictions have 50-60 DPS max and cannot point you on the max range of the Light Missiles. Where's the problem?

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Gaijin Lanis
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-14 12:03:46 UTC
To argue against the point about moving around null with impunity, how do you feel about jump drives on that subject? Even less "punity," but higher costs.

Do you feel there should be a way to pull jumping ships out of... uh, jump?

The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all.

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#18 - 2014-06-14 15:53:28 UTC
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
No, they fly around with impunity because they are bubble-immune, align in under 2 seconds, and can fit enough tank to withstand half a dozen BS smartbombing it as it lands on a gate..


I think you'll find you may have that a bit wrong, in my experience even if you put the maximum possible tank on an interceptor there is no way you'll survive a pipebomb. If you actually want some functionality from the hull you can tank one to survive a single SB BS long enough to jump gate though.

If your going to over egg the pudding to back up your argument I personally find it advisable to err on the side of realistic.

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Gaijin Lanis
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-06-14 19:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaijin Lanis
Samillian wrote:
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:
No, they fly around with impunity because they are bubble-immune, align in under 2 seconds, and can fit enough tank to withstand half a dozen BS smartbombing it as it lands on a gate..


I think you'll find you may have that a bit wrong, in my experience even if you put the maximum possible tank on an interceptor there is no way you'll survive a pipebomb. If you actually want some functionality from the hull you can tank one to survive a single SB BS long enough to jump gate though.

If your going to over egg the pudding to back up your argument I personally find it advisable to err on the side of realistic.

A travel fit interceptor (shield buffer, 2s align) can get around 9k ehp to even it's lowest resist damage type. Up to 11k if you're exceptionally paranoid about smartbombs (you shouldn't be). Then it's warp speed will allow it to skate past most pipebombers due to server issues. So in a hypothetical where an interceptor was warping through a gate with six 8hi pipebombs humping it, half would miss and the other half wouldn't do enough damage to pop it. Since most pipebombs only run 7 bombs at most, a travel fit interceptor could tank 5 full blasts. Then, in this situation, since no one wants to admit they didn't hit it because they were watching pornography, it gives the impression that six battleships weren't enough to kill an interceptor. This is all assuming all pipebombs are using the same damage type and that damage type just happens to be that interceptor's weakest. If our hypothetical gang of pipebombers were using mixed damage, then the amount of pulses necessary to take out an interceptor only increases.

All to say, no, he wasn't too far off the mark.

I'm not trying to argue this is overpowered, but the vast majority of the perception of imbalance surrounding interceptors have more to do with server issues and game functionality than their actual stats or capabilities. Not to mention people being little girls about not being able to effortlessly murder anything that pops up on their overview.

The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all.

Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#20 - 2014-06-14 19:42:52 UTC
Gaijin Lanis wrote:
[quote=Samillian] Not to mention people being little girls about not being able to effortlessly murder anything that pops up on their overview.


I would like to second this. So many players seem to think that they're entitled to a killmail if they see you, and the idea of trying harder is just completely beyond them.

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