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Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-13 14:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vadeim Rizen
Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.

I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways.


EDIT: Did I mention a fleet fit is completely cap stable with mwd running?
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#2 - 2014-06-13 14:54:01 UTC
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.

I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways.



I dont know what the odds were of the two of us posting pretty much similar topics at the same time, but i gave it a like and a +1
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-13 15:23:20 UTC
If anything, Inties are finally where they should be. And yes, you do already have your two classes of inties, one specializing in dps, the other in tackle range.

People that fly them, they love them. People that die to them, well, you need to stop being AFK.
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-13 15:32:22 UTC
Of course inties are fun to fly, i fly them myself every once in a while. It's fun to fly around in a ship where you can't die unless you dont know how to transversal.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#5 - 2014-06-13 15:41:12 UTC
Inties are the only ships in game that are "perfect" right now.

And even that might change since MMJDs were added which pretty much **** on longpoints.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-13 16:00:05 UTC
yeah, they're perfect because they do all things well. but that doesn't fall in line with everything else that rise is trying to do, making you decide which strength you want to take advantage of, not have something that has so many bonus's. It just doesn't make sense to me. Apparently I'm in the minority which is fine, just stating my opinion that the fact intie's are so strong has completely changed the meta of lowsec and especially null-sec roaming. With the warp speed changes and interceptors being as they are, taking a gang 20 jumps deep into null just isn't fun anymore primarily due to not being able to gtfo when the blob undocks. I just dont like the meta. Makes eve boring for small gang roaming.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2014-06-13 16:01:48 UTC
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.
Vadeim Rizen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-13 16:04:24 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-06-13 16:20:26 UTC
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you.


The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered.

How is it's current DPS overpowered? Why would you fly an assault frig when you can speed tank or run away with a interceptor? interceptors should exist to catch up and slow down or interdict hostiles, not necessarily kill them single handed.
Omega Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-06-13 16:22:54 UTC
+1 for recognizing intys are OP in Exodus)))
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-06-13 17:56:55 UTC
Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them.
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2014-06-13 18:01:31 UTC
*Stronk

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#13 - 2014-06-13 18:31:11 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Wow. You would almost think that weren't some mid or high slot modules which completely ignore transversal that can totally shut down an inty. Or ships slightly larger than inties that could send super fast drones after them.


What is this foolishness of which you speak?

Surely no such things exist.
Sigras
Conglomo
#14 - 2014-06-14 08:22:21 UTC
I know the OP cannot possibly be complaining about the anemic DPS of the crow/malediction... Seriously, with a damage mod, they do like 115 DPS... less damage than the retribution and vengeance do without a damage mod.

In fact the only interceptor that can come close to an AF amount of damage is the taranis, but in order to do that, it has to close to point blank range where there are several counters including:
1. Neut
2. webifier
3. scrambler
4. smartbomb
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#15 - 2014-06-14 08:25:20 UTC
Vicar2008 wrote:
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
Please dial back interceptors just a little bit. This ship is so strong in way too many ways. Fastest ships in game, fastest warping ships in the game, point/scram range bonus, sig radius reduction bonus, interdiction nullified and with the malediction and crow throw in never-missing DPS... all for under 20 mil for a hull.

I propose instead of having 2 classes of interceptors that one does DPS, and one does scram/point bonus, having the 2 different classes with one being nullified, and one with the scram/point bonus... AND dial back the warp speed for both just a bit. Don't really need a dps inty when you have assault frigs anyways.



I dont know what the odds were of the two of us posting pretty much similar topics at the same time, but i gave it a like and a +1


It makes you look like a pair of alts.

Anyhow interceptors are fine. Exactly where they should be, fun to fly and paper thin, easy to kill and still dieing to gatecamps.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-06-14 11:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


What DPS are you talking about? The 50-60 DPS of a Crow or the 50 DPS of a Malediction? Roll

Besides: Counter measures and another, older topic about your laments. Blink

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#17 - 2014-06-14 16:29:31 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


What DPS are you talking about? The 50-60 DPS of a Crow or the 50 DPS of a Malediction? Roll

Besides: Counter measures and another, older topic about your laments. Blink


You mean the 95dps of a malediction with selectable damage or 115dps kinetic a crow puts out....
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2014-06-14 17:10:14 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Vadeim Rizen wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


Not sure if serious, but the fact that it has all those bonus's and can still apply dps is a bit ridiculous, i agree with you.


The theory behind this is that nullification on interceptors make sense, in some ways, but the fact they can do similar DPS to Assault frigs is overpowered.

Comedy. Lol

My rocket-Vengence does ~150 dps. A Malediction with the same fit does ~80 dps... less if Light Missile fit.

My blaster-speed Enyo does ~350 dps. Any Ares fit struggles to get even half of that.

How did you Veterans start?
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-06-14 17:25:37 UTC
You can get clean over 160-170 in a freakin merlin. Melodrama much?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-06-14 17:55:11 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
If any change is needed on interceptors, its a reduction in DPS.


What DPS are you talking about? The 50-60 DPS of a Crow or the 50 DPS of a Malediction? Roll

Besides: Counter measures and another, older topic about your laments. Blink


You mean the 95dps of a malediction with selectable damage or 115dps kinetic a crow puts out....


Which is no problem because you can web and scramble it and it dies very quickly (My rocket Malediction has 102 DPS at 7km with Rage). A Crow does meager 82 DPS at 12 km, which is again easily slingshotable into Web/Scram range.
And with Light missiles (TE-2100 with CNSLMs) the Crow does 69 DPS at 62 km, which, if you use full range as most Crows do, leaves you always unpointed, and if you go into point range, you can still MWD around and try to sling shot the ship or make someone else come close and get a scram on the Crow, as well as that the applied damage of LMs on an MWDing ship is significantly reduced.

Is still don't see a problem.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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