Warfare & Tactics

I forgot about agents. However, the other 2 things are hardly a factor. A staging system can be just about anywhere else with a repair station and having to travel 1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker as long as they're within JF/carrier range.

Most homesystems are defended for the sake of fightning, not because they are particulary valuable to anyone.

You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier.


Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead.

This is true. Before all I needed to do was undock in innia to literally get shot at. Not fun at times but hey INSTANT pvp action. With SNIGG next door on Kinakka and frogmil in eha everyone gets fights anywhere in the 3 systems. If only CCP made innia smaller it would have been perfect.

No, the no docking rule is the main driving force to PvP. That's the only reason why the Innia-Eha border was so contested for a good 4-5 months.

And a 'large force to move us out'. Do you just ignore TEST and their fleets?

Did test move you out? I was not subscribed then so my info is second hand. I did see on the forums something like this:

TEST: Yay we hit tier 4!
Gallente: who cares? You didn't kick us out of ____ so we are winning!
TEST: Yeah we don't care to kick you out of ____ and don't care that you think we need to do that to win.
Gallente: ffs just do it for the fights then!

Then I really don't know what happened to test. Did they put a thousand players in one of your systems and push it? Did Chatgris singlehandedly fight all thousand of them off with nothing but his coercer and a jawbone of an ass?

But here is the faulty assumption. You assume that because there are hot spots now with docking restrictions those hotspots would not exist if the docking restrictions went away. (or at least were somewhat mitigated) But in fact there have always been hotspots in faction war. The only difference was there were also some other places to find pvp. Now its either go to one of 3-5 systems and get blobbed or roam through empty system after empty system. There used to be lots of micro hot spots throughout where you could get some pvp. And you could have bases in different areas so you could reship and get back to the pvp quicker.

Don't get me wrong on the whole I like faction war now more than before inferno. But the docking restriction is not good.

You said it yourself " those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping"

From somone whose exposure to fw is with the militia with the least number of players I can only agree that no docking has been a block to pvp.

Frankly, docking restrictions should be extended to enemy high sec space as well. Definitely not removed.

I'd only support removing docking restrictions if FW was restructured to just be straight up no man's land/pirate warfare instead of actual 'faction' warfare. Considering the way most players treat it, this might be better anyway.

also i just think its effed up that farmers who use a condor to plex make their money, have more places do farm to make money when the faction is losing while the pvpers who live have to suffer this flip flop system ownership have to deal with it and move their stuff around.

since inferno fw has been about the isk and not the pvp and ccp could'nt care less

Why do people think that this is a better reason to fight?

Yes you try and take a system so you can dock and the enemy cant but its farmers who dont actually live in low sec anyway that actually control it ultimately.

The ability isnt actually governed by the pvpers who actually live there.

In la la land yes.

That only goes for last remaining key systems. 99% of systems people do not care about and the farmers flip back and forth while the pvpers feed off the scraps.

Well i dont like the fact that the isk fountain that inferno made fw for farmers was a good thing at all, but tiring it with station lockouts - its no wonder all the pvpers left and went pirate.

Even if you deplex a system you like when you sleep 50 farmers all night have it back to 15% and then if you dont kill or chase them off 50 more do plexing making their money while the person who wants the system gets nothing for his effort. Its not like farmers pay pvpers to keep other farmers busy.