Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't you think that NPC sov is awfully static? And have you ever wondered why the hell cant you make multiple outposts in a system somewhere deep in null where you have anyway been sitting on max sov level for past year and some? So I have a proposal.

(1) Allow more than one player outpost to be built in sovereignty null. Hell while you are at it perhaps also remove restriction on where, exactly, can you install one (within reasonable limits, say not on grid with another structure or gate or such perhaps).

The question is what to do with sov mechanics. As a temporary fix just ignore any outposts after the first one in system. If the "main" Outpots flips just flip the others also in system. There is proper sov overhaul scheduled for the later anyway. Or if you want to make additional posts count just pool the hp of all outpots togehter in system and let players shoot any of them.

That would allow a proper industrial hubs for null sec alliances as they would be able to put all 4 types in the same system, several of the same type with different upgrades, etc. In addition you could use the bonuses provided by the industry overhaul which made stuff go faster the more "installations" of certain type you have in system.

(2) Allow players to build outposts in NPC sov (hi sec, low sec, npc null, etc). With certain limitations in place.

(a) Add a penalty to slot effectivity in NPC sov. These Outpots are not conquerable (for now under current system) so they should not be as good as the ones that can be con quested. (you can explain it as NPC factions following stricter policies or whatever).
(b) At next DT (or a little time after getting the post up and functional) the ownership of the Outpost would flip to the NPC faction holding sov in the system. Optionally let the cocporation that holds the Outpost (until it flips) designate a specific member corporation of the faction that holds sov to whom the Outpost goes.
(c) It should be possible to somehow still upgrade the outposts of the correct type. Optionally one could introduce a different outpost type for NPC sov.
(d) Perhaps require a huge pile of starbase charters as part of materials for throwing up the egg in NPC sov.

Risks - where are they if you are throwing up your eggs in hi sec / low sec / npc null ? - Well in low sec/ null it's obvious, as egg can be blown up. In hi sec make the egg go "suspect" when it's anchored so that anyone can shoot at it while it's going up - requiring people to defend it if they want to put one up in hi sec (might seem a bit harsh but it should balance out nice - there is no capitals / supers in hi sec however, the population of trigger happy persons is much higher). Apply standard suspect mechanics - if someone reps it he goes suspect as well - if someone shoots it he gets flagged (for the owner of the egg, or globally, whatever feels right) as well.

Why to do it, in particular the (2)? I think that the NPC spaace is somewhat .. stagnant. In sov space hundreds upon hundreds of outposts are going up but over all these years NPC factions have not erected any new outposts. And there are spots where having another NPC outpost would benefit residents - even if it's just the the barren player built type without agents n other goodies. The most obvious reason is cloning/medical in NPC null (and to some extent in low sec) as there is several outpost types lacking in that regard. Second obvious reason is alleviating the office space issues for more highly populated systems.

I would like to have cloning in 5zxx. There is some NPC null and low sec areas practically barren of stations (say, great wildlands with only couple stations for the whole region).

1 station per system is enough, it's not like 2 enemy coalitions will let each other live in one and there is no other reason to have two.

As for NPC systems, why would you need more than 1 station at all?

YEah yeah outpost, same thing in terms of usage.

Sounds like you want to turn what is left of neutral (as in NPC) nullsec into more rental space for the big coalitions as well as giving even bigger buffs to the coalitions that already dominate the game.



Why? You own the system, you don't need more than one. And you should have to make choices and trade-offs (as in the example you give about advantages of different outpost types) rather than have everything, everywhere.

By the same token, why not...I mean, if you really want to do it, why not...just seems a waste, especially as most of player owned nullsec is empty most of the time.




I think this is a bad idea. NPC nullsec is there for a reason. NPC nullsec systems without any outposts are there for a reason. There need to be "badlands" in EVE that can't be owned permanently by any group.

Big block alt looking for more rental space detected.

JC system also not broken.

It's called having to make a choice on what implants you use and when you use them.

This proposal has actually potential to lower the speed at which systems gain stations in null sec. At the moment, if you need to erect a new station you do so in a new system, meaning there is one more system on starmap with a station in null.

Under this proposal the station builder has an option to put the new station in some system already containing one station. Meaning some other system, that currently does not have station does not gain a new station. So if you have issues with how many systems have a station already in null sec then this proposal should be something you like.

I mean if the system already has one station why would you care if there is N more stations in that system?

I have to disagree with that. There is plenty of other reasons to have multiple stations in sov null in one system other than just another spot to park a jump clone.

Possibly, but that is a far larger change than just flipping a switch allowing more than one outpost built in a system (and possible minor addendum to sov system until it gets proper overhaul) as it requires rewriting some quite deep code (if I remember dev comments about it correct from some years ago).

You heard it here first folks - outpost destruction is coming, probably Soon™. if outposts are going to be destructable does that mean they'll get station guns to defend the hapless non capsuleer employees like Scotty the docking bay manager?