Out of Pod Experience

TLDR: yes, this is a rant (of sorts), yes, i am a carebear pve noob and whatever other names you want to call me.

So, EVE is not for me, i did play it since, oh, i think it was 2004 or 2005 (don't catch me on exact dates, honestly i can't remember). i had several good runs of it, but every time i stopped after a few months or a year at most, and for the following, simple reason.
EVE is a game where the worst human traits are actually rewarded, if are a liar, a cheater, a con man at heart, if you enjoy scamming, stealing and lying to people. if you get your kicks out of murder and mayhem. this is the game for you. you will be rewarded for it, you will grow strong on it, and people will cheer you on and treat you as a "pro".

i think this game is in serious need of an actual system overhaul to balance out the "evil" part of it, there should be meaningful consequences to a choice to be "evil" because these days it's more of a slap on wrist (oh no, i can't go into high sec, oh wait, i have alts to get anything i want from there, actually, is there anything i want from there?!).

in the end i guess i am waiting for a PVE focused game (or at least one where if you steal someone's stuff for kicks, since you don't need it and he has no way to retaliate, there are consequences).

so, sum of my EVE experience.
1st try, was fun until my corp leader sold everything in the corp hangars and took it all with him
2nd try, was ok until my corp collapsed from officer corruption + the hell fun i had being chain killed trying to retrieve some of my stuff from null sec (was my fault, thought a "half now, half when i'm in high sec" deal with the new owners of the station would keep me safe, guess they were more interested in racking up the killscore)
3rd try, about 3 months until i got tired of being scammed, cheated and killed by every group i actually started to trust enough with going to null sec (i think the "best" one was when someone i played with for 2 months managed to lure me into null sec so his friend could get a kill and then tried to ransom my pod)
4th try (right now), it was fun doing some exploring, except for the fact in about 50% of the sites i'd go in only to have someone come in after i cleared it to steal the overseer structure drops (i did do the heavy lifting for them blowing it up, and it's nice of CCP to tag them for me... that is, if i actually had a chance to get the drop on them before they either jumped or (in one occasion) stayed around with a couple of friends just to see if i was stupid enough to actually shoot them).

ah well, as they say, it's only money, i paid my 15$, saw what's new, the game is beautiful, and the PVE combat is kinda fun for me, but i won't bother sticking around
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Why do you think anyone is interested to read a rant written by a player that doesn't like this game?... Except for trolling purposes, of course.

IB4L for ranting.

However I do agree with you. The game is not for you so hopefully you find a PvE only game that you enjoy.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.


Game behaviour =/= real life behaviour

well, if you only want to hear from people who believe all is well in the EVE universe and the way things are is the way thing should remain...

Yes, you are weak at diplomacy

Yes you are weak at economics

Yes, you need to grow some paranoia and a thick skin
Also, you admitted you were not new, so you resorted to the defence of the weak; lies

You have no concept of what evil actually is

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

We prefer the term

"The Unkind Ones"

or

"Satan's Little Helpers"

Wow... you've managed to get screwed by everyone...

I have never run a scam, I have never ransomed, I have never stolen...

I also have never fallen for a scam, paid a ransom, or been directly stolen from...

I am perfectly happy to turn someones pride a joy pixels into a rapidly expanding cloud.
I am perfectly happy to have my pixels blown out from under me.

You are a perfect example of the entitled generation...
"I want someone else to give me protection from bad people"

This is EVE, protect yourself, make yourself strong...

Thread moved due to forum rules:

32. "Quitting" posts are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience channel.

CCP recognize that during the course of gameplay a lot of friendships are made between players and that sometimes if a player is taking a break or departing from the EVE universe that they would like to say goodbye on the forums. Posts of this nature are only permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum, and must be civil and well worded.

You tried. You failed. Time to move on.

Welllllll... yes and no. I don't want to see "consequences", I want to see balances. The problem with consequences, you get too many limitations, and not just on the players being penalized in some way, it often effects everyone to some degree. And when you make it subtle, it just gets skirted and results in no real deterrent as you would imagine it. Then it just turns into another crappy game were people can hide behind the system and REALLY screw with you, griefing and such, then laughing at you since you can do nothing about it.

Now a balance spawns conflict, which is more EVE like. You have the players that play one way (e.g. evil or etc) then you introduce a balance to that. Such as early UO you had what Richard Garriott introduced as "player justice". Although, it was under developed in the early game, no real tools provided, and later abandoned with the tram/fel split that simply made a safe area of the game, sort of like highsec but 100% safe.

But then you had SWG with the bounty hunter system. Player justice of a sort, but applied to hunting down Jedi dog players and exterminating them, with included tools to make that happen, good tools. It worked very well, and had wished it to be expanded to non-jedi players, such as against faction war players etc. Of course they pretty much removed it and introduced another tram/fel type gameplay (NGE) and the game died. Not tram/fel verbatim, but more or less killed off conflict and I heard later introduced a WoW style battlefield thingy which certainly didn't draw WoW players nor bring back the 10000's+ that ragequit right after NGE and left SWG a literal ghost town, literal.

But CCP's solution was call something "bounty hunting" with no real system and slap in some crazy isk bounty system on players. Now, if it had been tied into negative consequences, then make a skill set for actual bounty hunters (say with good standings) and with tools to track such players down and be rewarded for killing the mark without any restrictions, might be meaningful. Or something of the kind... some kind of player justice/guardian system. Though I typically like playing a lawful-neutral hunter of some sorts, when it's available anyway.

But then that probably doesn't interest you, more the tram/fel split sort of thing is what you are looking for it seems. Well, a million and one games out there like that, dime a dozen, even f2p, all to your hearts content. Luckz

Of course you will fill out the exit questionnaire, cry about pretty much what would kill off EVE in one fatal swoop. But hopefully CCP just ignores it as they probably will.