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Jinmotofu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-11 22:25:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jinmotofu
I would like to thank CCP for Nurfing the Yeld of all the Exhumers! the Hulk is NOT the yeld king anymore!
Jinmotofu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-11 22:27:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jinmotofu
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-11 22:43:04 UTC
You sound like you're bad at math.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-06-11 23:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!

Shocked

Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)
Jinmotofu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-11 23:08:04 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!

Shocked

Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)


Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-11 23:09:43 UTC
Jinmotofu wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!

Shocked

Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)


Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!


You sound like you are terrible at math.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-12 07:04:11 UTC
Jinmotofu wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!

Shocked

Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)


Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!


Um, so the Skiff mines X ore in 3 minutes and the Hulk mines the same X ore in less than 3 minutes (allowing you to mine more and you say that the hulk has no yield advantage?????
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-06-12 07:13:56 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Jinmotofu wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!

Shocked

Effective Yield Multiplier = 1 / (1 - cycle reduction factor)


Yes but the base yeld before cycle time is the same!


You sound like you are terrible at math.



Ummm... didn't you know that 2+2=8 come on now!
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-06-12 08:55:27 UTC
Jinmotofu wrote:
Yes I'm pokeing fun at this but I had one of each Exhumer to see and all the ore yeld is the same now! the only thing that if Diffrent form the Skiff and the Hulk is the duration!



Duration......... so what gives gives better m³/min, the hulk


poor troll or stupid, u decide

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Lucy Oreless
Rise of Rephaim
#10 - 2014-06-13 12:40:37 UTC
Big smileLol

This OP made me laugh.. a surprise today since my head hurts after pulling 15h days for the last month..

 I did not have sexual relations to THAT woman....
Jinmotofu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-13 15:56:06 UTC
What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers!
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#12 - 2014-06-13 15:59:34 UTC
@OP: I love that you end every sentence with an exclamation point!

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
setozero
Death Dealers Incorporated
#13 - 2014-06-15 05:28:35 UTC
You do understand the Hulk can mine from three different asteroids. So when that op laser mines the last 300 it was a complete waste. At least my Hulk will pull from the other rocks.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-06-16 17:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jinmotofu wrote:
What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers!

Hulk

Mining Barge Bonus per level:
+5% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester optimal range
-4% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration

Exhumer Bonus per level:
+4% Shield resistances
-3% Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration

Effective Yield = 1 / (1 - Mining Barge 5 * 4%) * 1 / (1 - Exhumers 5 * 3%) = 1.0625 or +6.25% yield
Grendaran
Celestial Tomb
#15 - 2014-06-16 17:51:39 UTC
Jinmotofu wrote:
I would like to thank CCP for Nurfing the Yeld of all the Exhumers! the Hulk is NOT the yeld king anymore!


Regardless, it is all Free Ore if you are mining it yourself
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#16 - 2014-06-16 18:29:39 UTC
CCP clearly stated that they were changing the nature of the mining bonuses on Barges and Exhumers to keep them more uniform. This means that instead of having a higher raw yield, the Hulk now has the same base yield, but reduced cycle time.

OP is likely looking at the "Mining Yield" stat on the module while undocked. If this is the case, yes, the Skiff's one laser will have the same yield in m3 as the Hulk's combined 3 lasers.

However, the OP would be well-advised to look at the cycle time on said lasers. The Hulk will have a faster cycle time, so even though the raw mining yield is the same, the Hulk will pull in that volume faster, giving it a bonus to effective yield.

tl;dr version: Hulk's effective mining yield actually got buffed, not nerfed, due to faster cycle times.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-06-16 23:09:57 UTC
Man, if you can't figure out how mining faster translates to more rocks in the same period of time I'm really not sure what you're gonna do well in this game.
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures
#18 - 2014-06-18 13:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Yazzinra
Voyager Arran wrote:
Man, if you can't figure out how mining faster translates to more rocks in the same period of time I'm really not sure what you're gonna do well in this game.


Now might be a good time to suggest he apply to GSF. I believe the going rate to process applications is still 300 mil which he will, of course, get back once he's undoubtedly accepted. ;)
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#19 - 2014-06-18 19:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Jinmotofu wrote:
What you all are not seeing is that the Yeld Before Cycle time lost 500m3 off all the Exhumers!

no it is you that is missing the point. Yield is not just raw yield. The HULK lost nothing. They only changed how the yield is calculated. your yield is your m3 per minute. If you have 3 ships that extract the exact same amount of ore per cycle, yet the cycles are different amounts of time, they do not have the same yield.

Under the old system some bonuses were to cycle time, most fleet boosts, and others were to the amount extracted per cycle. All they did was change all bonuses to affect cycle time. Under the old system all three mining ships had the same cycle time, but different amounts of ore per cycle depending on bonuses. Now the ore amounts per cycle are the same, with the variation being moved to the cycle times.

It may appear to the unknowing eye that the yields have changed, when in fact they did not. m3 per minute are still about the same, just the way they are calculated has changed.

To take a really simple example, which ship would extract more, the one extracting 15,000m3 at a 3 minute cycle time, or the one that extracts 5,000m3 with a 1 minute cycle time? trick question, they would both have the exact same extraction rate. 5,000m3 per minute would give you 15,000m3 every 3 minutes. the exact same yield. Likewise two ships both extracting 10,000m3 one has a 2 minute cycle time, the other has a 3 minute cycle time, the first ship actually has a 50% higher yield in m3/minute.

Cycle time is just as important as the m3 per cycle.

Either you should now understand, or I have been successfully trolled. either way, you are bad at math.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-06-19 02:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
All of which is "moot".

The economy will find it's new equilibrium according to the new mineral production "norm" as Crius becomes "reality".

At which point we can all argue about something else we really can't do anything about. Blink

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