EVE General Discussion

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Personally I blame it on the huge influx of "explorers" brought on by Kronos.
Once the Contested sites hype fever dies, I think the number of scannable sites should go up (as there are less explorers) and as such profits should go up also.

There may be a problem with the site spawning timers also, as bugs were reported. We'll have to wait and see.
Sincerelt ATM there's no incentive to risking your ship in Null (as it's pretty much void of sites) and High and Low is simply overcrowded by rookie frigates with scanners.
But for the moment all the explorers seem to claim the same thing - explo rewards took a huge nerf to the knee.
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You should come and join me...I know where there are loads of data sites spawning. right now there are 4 in my main's system. none of us are going to do them because, as said, they are worthless.

Might just go and blow them up.

Hacking went to hell when they removed the rats from the sites, when it took more than any old ship with a probe launcher on it to get the stuff out of sites.

CCP tried to use loot spew to get people to work together to do exploration. The rats in the sites did more for teamwork than loot spew. Used to do exploration with friends when there were rats in the sites, especially out in 0.0. Now you don't need any teamwork whatsoever to explore, making it much easier for anyone to do it. That's what has driven the prices down so much, why there are so few worthwhile sites left for everyone.

They should also make exploration site containers non-scannable so people cannot take only the good stuff, and leave the junk for everyone else. Also find that annoying, take the time to find a site, get there, and see someone has already looted the good stuff.

There is a lot that can be done to improve the exploration profession. I think they should have a way to escalate like their combat site counter parts. Intercept some communication data, gives you a journal update and you're off on a quest. Naturally escalations should be harder. More difficult hacking, perhaps some defenses. The escalation could even be for a combat site to mix professions up.

Overall I think the pay out on these sites needs to be increased. There are risks involved, and a lot of time. I never feel quite as vulnerable than when i have that mini game up.

But I think escalations would be a great way to up the difficulty so "just anyone in a ship with a probe launcher" can't do them and give the people who specialized a little reward for their investment.

On a whole other lever there are some interesting pvp applications that could be explored. I'm just spit balling here but some creative ideas that come to mind are Maybe hack a stargate and delay jumps for a minute. To prevent reinforcements, or escape. Maybe hack the gate guns to work in your sides favor. Hack POS defenses, or access the fuel and stront cargo area so you can see how long it will reinforce for etc. Maybe hack a ship in pvp to disable a module. Can you imagine exploring getting jumped and quickly having to hack the ships warp disruptor to shut it down and escape. That would be the most intense mini game ever lol. I would also love to hack a wreck and see the kill mail from the ships black box lol.

Good

If you cant work out how to play so badly that you have to quit, why stop at games?

Try doing that with everything

My friends who unsubbed ENJOYED the old way and thought the new way was lame and noobified and unsubbed.

What we see happening now is CCP trying to remedy their horrible Odyssey expansion and what it did to exploration.

I am very glad the loot spew is gone! I hated it with a vengeance!
I'm fine with reduced loot tables as a compensation. But they went back to the pre-odyssey loot tables and didn't take into account the crashing prices of data encryptors.

I did some exploration in low and null and the results were mixed. Sometimes it's good money ( more then 200m an evening), sometimes it's crap. But I'm OK with that. It comes with the profession: sometimes you find gold sometimes you find lead. But the only thing that is worth doing are relic sites.

Why can't they just show the anomalies when entering a system and not all the signatures. Let dedicated explorers actively look for them!

Why can't you have rats showing up when failing a hack. That would spice things up a bit.

Why are so many empty containers? I would rather have some crappy T1 salvage than nothing or carbon. Yes you can scan the cans but in order to despawn the site every container needs to be hacked.

Last month I spent 2 weeks out in nulsec running exploration content. I did this very casually, appx 12 hours total work. I made 3B isk in loot. Then took the nearest connecting wormhole back to empire.

If you are so bad at exploration that you can't make enough isk to satisfy yourself, you really should just leave it to your betters.

Well you have experienced and heard wrong.

The speed you can do sites now well outstrips the table modification and theres no change to the proliferation. If anything its because more people are now doing them faster.

I think you're forgetting the point the OP is trying to make, data site loots are crap and should be on par with relic sites. And that the loot from relic sites isn't even as good anymore since the last patch.

I know you want to sound all smart and teach about the Market and the economy, but really you just sound condescending (a ****).

Accepted, I withdraw what I said about experience, as I cannot know that



But empty containers are due to the hubris of explorers who came before you, they are not a feature of exploration currently