EVE General Discussion

Don't take it personally. It's not deliberate flaming from everyone. It's just a really common topic often raised for trolling purposes. They tend to get locked as redundant anyway, it's probably best to just abandon it before it turns into vegetable pelting, and the mods beat us all up.

Just read the forums for a week or so before creating topics. If it's a complaint GD/F&I usually have the common gripes on the first few pages.

The whole issue is beeing looked at from the wrong perspective,
which shows by the proposed solutions, which are all pretty much crap.

Delaying local or anything else that removes intel will only make people not play at all,
because cowards will always stay cowards.

These people are basically highseccers, but highsec isn't paying them enough.
Think about who actually rents space in nullsec and for what reasons.


Imagine highsec with delayed or no local at all.


We'd literally lose tons of players.



The weird thing about this is that this might not actually be bad in the long run,
because such a change could be well marketed and implemented into the game,
leading to more subs actually, because it's simply that dangerous to play it.

Of course new tools would be added to help players. Look at the dscan disruptor, for example.
Now imagine that spread in multiple dozens throughout every system. As example.


Btw!

When the empires are crumbling and CONCORD sees issues coming ...
... will the new space be carebear space, for others hard to reach ...
... and highsec finally be free from the wrath of CONCORD and the carebears?

Will NullSec finally turn into proper empires with citizens?


I bet most people can't even imagine the realitiy. There'd be me, in nullsec,
suicide ganking people who roam around, because it's an empire space
and safe enough to do so ...

... but there's no CONCORD! Who protects these people?


Let's find that out after the break.


*plays music*

FTFY

Just get rid of:

Cloaking
Local
Alts/second accounts

Really, CCP should put me in charge.

I knew if I stuck around something good would develop.

Then those that dont work together put themselves at greater risk. Nullsec should not be a walk in the park for anyone. There needs to be great risk and reward. Not lazy gameplay.

In wormholes, we work together to minimize our risks so we can reap a higher reward. If we try to pve solo, we still get the same rewards, but at a much much higher risk. It should not be easy. Nullsec should not be easy. Players should be encouraged to work together.

That's their problem, not yours. Here's the one moment when you acknowledge that it's actually their issue,
while completely ignoring that your solution doesn't actually try to address this very issue.

The root of the problem.



Thank you for participating.

Debatable. Sometimes I think older players accept broken mechanics a tad too readily and rush to defend them simply because they are jaded by the debate. A workaround or citing player experience doesn't mean there isn't a flaw.

If people have worked to acquire sov in a system, or take possession of a wormhole 1 person should not be able to perma camp it for intel or hotdrops with no risk just by logging in and cloaking after downtime. Every day. Throw in disposable NPC alts and it highlights further how difficult it is to retaliate. Add in a bit of local smack off and yeah, people will persistently ask how this mechanic is 'fair'. Doesn't mean the complaint is unfounded or that they should be tossed onto the 'whiner' heap eternally, maybe there are some valid complaints mixed in there.

Fair enough larger groups can move. Nobody likes them anyway, quite honestly they can baww all they like. Small sov holders with a handful of systems can be locked out permenantly from isk making in space they fought to conquer by a handful of [not AFK] cloakers, as can wormholers. Oh wait, there are no small sov holders. Let's consider why that might be again.

Local (or lack of it) it is not the issue. AFK cloaking is less of an issue in WH space because you can't maintain hotdrop range. It's the ability to be undocked, in space perpetually invulnerable (with really minimal investment, SP or equipment wise) that winds people up. And rightly so, it goes against the game ethos.There should be mutual risk in all ingame activities, and the ability to engage in combat to decide a winner.

The solution to these complaints might be to address the impact across various types of space, rather than a single fix.

Opinions are irrelevant. And I don't suffer from "old habit" sickness.

>It's the ability to be undocked, in space perpetually invulnerable (with really minimal investment, SP or equipment wise) that winds people up

Nope. What winds people up is their inability to undock and play the game. They don't realize that it's their own choice,
but instead believe the cloaker is making the choice for them. Yet, there is nothing forcing them to stay docked.

You're having the wrong perspective here. People aren't mad about the person sitting there,
they are mad about the IDEA that they can not undock, because of the POSSIBILITY of losing their shiny!


It's a matter of choice! (argueable, because they're cowards and the choice seems rather pre-determined by that fact)



Cowards will always stay docked!