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Friend is quitting Eve after he is caught out with Bonus room scam

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-09-20 09:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Black Pedro wrote:
I am pretty sure I am not. I never said that there weren't harassment laws on the books of many countries. What I am saying is that there is no country


German Grundgesetz

Quote:
Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar. Sie zu achten und zu schützen ist Verpflichtung aller staatlichen Gewalt.


Quote:
The dignity of man is inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all public authority.


Artikel 1 des Grundgesetzes für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland

Its not even "some law whatever", its the very first Articel of the the German GG / the german constitution.
Put this Audio on Radio or TV and you will see.

Everything will be on account, even the decission that the victime came into the his own will, but that will not set the perpetraitors free of guilt.

All democratic countries will have laws against harrasment, since you could harras anyone to give you all his stuff. Effecting psychological stress and hurt on people is profen, to have similar effect to physical pain. Reason enough not to humiliate strangers on the internet.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-09-20 11:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Haedonism Bot wrote:

I don't think that anything that happened in the bonus room would qualify as blackmail in any court of law in any country
...SNIP...
The point being - whatever you may think of the practice of bonusrooming, or of any bonus room in particular, the argument that it is illegal is a huge stretch from reality. You may not like it, CCP obviously doesn't like it, but that doesn't make it a literal crime.


The point is, that you are wrong.

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.
For that you can get sued.
It has not happend YET, but that can change faster then you think.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Black Pedro
Mine.
#123 - 2014-09-20 11:52:39 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:

I don't think that anything that happened in the bonus room would qualify as blackmail in any court of law in any country
...SNIP...
The point being - whatever you may think of the practice of bonusrooming, or of any bonus room in particular, the argument that it is illegal is a huge stretch from reality. You may not like it, CCP obviously doesn't like it, but that doesn't make it a literal crime.


The point is, that you are wrong.

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.
For that you can get sued.
It has not happend YET, but that can change faster then you think.


Again, yes, there are harassment laws on the books in many countries. And again, the facts around the Sokhar bonus room would not qualify as criminal harassment in any of these countries (including Germany), most evidently because he says he didn't feel harassed. So no, we are not wrong.

I am confused, what is "the continuing humiliation in public" you are referring to? There is a single bonus room recording with Sokhar that was released after the event and as far as I am aware, Sokhar and the Bonus Room participants never interacted directly again. Are you claiming that Erotica 1 is somehow responsible for the all the attention Ripard Teg brought to the situation months after the recording was released, barely noticed, and then forgotten by the public? It seem to me by your definition it is Ripard Teg who should be sued for "continuing humiliation in public" by exposing the Sokhar recording to thousands of his blog readers after it had been forgotten.

Your scaremongering is also not helpful. You, like CCP, unreasonably seem to think people should be responsible for predicting future changes in policy or law by the authorities. That is not a healthy way to live your life or to run your game.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#124 - 2014-09-20 11:55:54 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.


It was not by any stretch of the imagination public until Riptard tried to exploit it to further his carebear agenda.

Quote:

For that you can get sued.


No, you can't.

If you think I'm wrong, try it. Go find a law firm and tell them you want to sue a business in a different country because someone stole your video game money, tricked you into singing a Disney song, and laughed at you while you raged out and spewed hateful offensive language.

You won't have to tell me that you tried, by the way, I'll be able to hear the laughter from here.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-09-20 12:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Black Pedro wrote:

I am confused, what is "the continuing humiliation in public" you are referring to? There is a single bonus room recording with Sokhar that was released after the event and as far as I am aware, Sokhar and the Bonus Room participants never interacted directly again.


The continuing harrasment in that recording.

Black Pedro wrote:

Your scaremongering is also not helpful.


You are the one who wants to create FUD in favor of your self.
Who do i scare?
"Bonus Roomers"?
Ah would that be nice. But no one would believe that.
:P

Anyhow:
The ban-hammer was well justifiied and the case e1 is closed.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-09-20 12:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
La Rynx wrote:

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.


It was not by any stretch of the imagination public until Riptard tried to exploit it to further his carebear agenda.

The audio was posted prominently on a website called minerbuming.com which can reached by anyone who wants to. It does not matter if the reaction came not immediatly.(seriously your arguments...)
Not much imagination needed, thats public.

Quote:

If you think I'm wrong, try it. Go find a law firm and tell them you want to sue a business in a different country because someone stole your video game money, tricked you into singing a Disney song, and laughed at you while you raged out and spewed hateful offensive language.

You won't have to tell me that you tried, by the way, I'll be able to hear the laughter from here.


Now what?
Now it can not be sued, because its in a different country. This is not the same, as "it can not be sued".

Whining over Ripard Tek is what you do, when the problem was the bonus room and those guys who where so "smart" posting it on their webseite. Your denial of common sense will not help you.
You just hop excuses. What happened, why it happend, what was taken, it was all properly discussed. Dont come with comparisons, when the original case is good enough.

But everything that guys like you have in common is, that you want to scale down the case into "it was not so bad", "others did worse" , "the so called victim was racist", "it was not a problem until Ripard Tek made it one..." and more.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#127 - 2014-09-20 13:44:47 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

Now it can not be sued, because its in a different country. This is not the same, as "it can not be sued".


And that's not what I said. You have a big problem with making things up.

The entire premise is laughable, by pretty much any measure. Attempting to do so internationally is an equal part of that.

Quote:

But everything that guys like you have in common is, that you want to scale down the case into "it was not so bad", "others did worse" , "the so called victim was racist", "it was not a problem until Ripard Tek made it one..." and more.


Oh, so racist epithets and real life threats are ok with you, then? Or is only if the person is mad about losing their pixels first?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-09-20 17:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
La Rynx wrote:

Now it can not be sued, because its in a different country. This is not the same, as "it can not be sued".



And that's not what I said. You have a big problem with making things up.


No, not really.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

The entire premise is laughable, by pretty much any measure. Attempting to do so internationally is an equal part of that.

Quote:

But everything that guys like you have in common is, that you want to scale down the case into "it was not so bad", "others did worse" , "the so called victim was racist", "it was not a problem until Ripard Tek made it one..." and more.


Oh, so racist epithets and real life threats are ok with you, then? Or is only if the person is mad about losing their pixels first?


Just remember:
Case closed
erotica1 ban-hammered!
End of Story.

"racist epithets" are not OK, but still this guy was *heavily* provoked and with that has one valid explanation.

This "international" stuff works in favor for e1 and his roomies, since it is hard to sue people over country borders. There are countries where you can have law suits AND there already have been suits over virtual worlds.
This are not video game pixels, this are MMO pixels , a whole different level.
Oh and drop this "pixel" nonsense, its all DATABASE stuff.

Why did this guy make "racist epithets"?
For what reasons where they made?
Answer: they where meant to hurt!
So: This guy was emotinaly so hurt, that he tried to hurt back.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#129 - 2014-09-20 17:22:41 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:
How did they get him to lose skill points and hack the game so Concord will kill him based on his sec status?

I'm starting to think your "friend" isn't the only idiot here.

I'm thinking our OP doesn't know what "Faction Police" are.



Huh.For some reason I read that as "Fashion" Police.

heh.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#130 - 2014-09-20 18:25:20 UTC
I can't be the only one who hasn't a clue what the "bonus room" scam is. Anyone care to enlighten me?

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#131 - 2014-09-25 05:40:13 UTC
This thread smells like......victory.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2014-09-26 19:58:13 UTC
If your truly his friend you want to help out a new bro then give him all your stuff lesson learned.......Bro

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-09-27 03:59:59 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

Just remember:
Case closed
erotica1 ban-hammered!
End of Story.

I almost wish that people who stick to this kind of mindless line-toeing would catch the banhammer for some arbitrary crap that was perfectly legitimate yesterday...almost. In all reality, I wish CCP would stop with arbitrary enforcement of grey rules.

La Rynx wrote:

"racist epithets" are not OK, but still this guy was *heavily* provoked and with that has one valid explanation.

Note to self: minorities should be more understanding if I call them racial slurs when they provoke me heavily...like cutting me off in traffic and then giving me the finger.

La Rynx wrote:

This "international" stuff works in favor for e1 and his roomies, since it is hard to sue people over country borders. There are countries where you can have law suits AND there already have been suits over virtual worlds.
This are not video game pixels, this are MMO pixels , a whole different level.
Oh and drop this "pixel" nonsense, its all DATABASE stuff.

Yeah, and I can sue you for calling me a pompous doodyhead. That doesn't mean that I'll win, as opposed to being laughed out of court.

La Rynx wrote:

Why did this guy make "racist epithets"?
For what reasons where they made?
Answer: they where meant to hurt!
So: This guy was emotinaly so hurt, that he tried to hurt back.

See my response to quote two.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#134 - 2014-09-27 12:42:16 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I can't be the only one who hasn't a clue what the "bonus room" scam is. Anyone care to enlighten me?



Its where you get the mark (aka, victim aka 'contestant'...) to give away all his stuff because he thinks he's playing a 'game show' style game on Teamspeak/Mumble/etc in the hopes that he will win A Grand Prize (some ungodly amount of ISK).

At some point the 'contestant' either breaks a 'rule' or realizes that it is, indeed, a scam, and he has lost most if not all his stuffs.

Some actually lost Skill Points by getting podded in Alpha clones voluntarily.

Anyway, net result is usually tears, rage, and various racial slurs, plus IRL death threats.

You are welcome.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#135 - 2014-09-27 19:08:39 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Note to self: minorities should be more understanding if I call them racial slurs when they provoke me heavily...like cutting me off in traffic and then giving me the finger.

Your alliance promotes calling them racial slurs when they don't provoke you at all, just some food for thought. Lol

Hey guys.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#136 - 2014-09-28 15:29:54 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I can't be the only one who hasn't a clue what the "bonus room" scam is. Anyone care to enlighten me?



Its where you get the mark (aka, victim aka 'contestant'...) to give away all his stuff because he thinks he's playing a 'game show' style game on Teamspeak/Mumble/etc in the hopes that he will win A Grand Prize (some ungodly amount of ISK).

At some point the 'contestant' either breaks a 'rule' or realizes that it is, indeed, a scam, and he has lost most if not all his stuffs.

Some actually lost Skill Points by getting podded in Alpha clones voluntarily.

Anyway, net result is usually tears, rage, and various racial slurs, plus IRL death threats.

You are welcome.


Sounds like something I'd never be so stupid as to fall for.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#137 - 2014-09-28 16:59:22 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Moonlit Raid wrote:
I can't be the only one who hasn't a clue what the "bonus room" scam is. Anyone care to enlighten me?



Its where you get the mark (aka, victim aka 'contestant'...) to give away all his stuff because he thinks he's playing a 'game show' style game on Teamspeak/Mumble/etc in the hopes that he will win A Grand Prize (some ungodly amount of ISK).

At some point the 'contestant' either breaks a 'rule' or realizes that it is, indeed, a scam, and he has lost most if not all his stuffs.

Some actually lost Skill Points by getting podded in Alpha clones voluntarily.

Anyway, net result is usually tears, rage, and various racial slurs, plus IRL death threats.

You are welcome.


Sounds like something I'd never be so stupid as to fall for.


Yeah but for every person like you, there's 10 more that will give their money away because they're greedy.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2014-09-28 20:08:29 UTC
Logan PewPew wrote:
EvE is like PvP+

Even your own corp-mates (to an extent) are playing against you.

Trust is a seriously rare commodity.

If you don't know the address/phone number of someone you play with then you better use caution when interacting with them.

God won't help you his KB is terrible.

I learned recently that even being RL friends with someone apparently doesn't mean you can trust them. Go figure.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2014-09-28 20:57:36 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Oh man. I just listened to the last part of that bonus room soundboard. XD

I am not surprised that some of them were Canadian. All this "please" and " thank you" stuff we do everyday IRL takes its toll and we tend to let off our steam on the internet. See a nasty/evil troll? Good chance he's Canadian!

It's like that episode on the Simpsons where Ned Flanders finally loses his cool after his politeness was taken advantage.

Summary: excessive "please" and "thank yous" comes with a grave, subsequent cost.

Case in point: I may or may not be Canadian.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2014-09-28 22:59:41 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

So: This guy was emotinaly so hurt, that he tried to hurt back.


Looks like I got my answer, then.

Death threats and racist epithets *are* ok to La Rynx so long as someone lost their pixels.

Well, you know what category you go in now. (irredeemable scumbag, btw)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.