Intergalactic Summit

Completely agree, and if Ishukone needs a hand bearing the cost of returning Home to the Caldari, I'd be pleased to make a donation.

I cannot agree with every point in your assessment of the “politics” related to recent events on Caldari Prime. I have every confidence that the Senate has and will see to the strategic interests of the Federation and its citizenry both collectively and individually.

While I agree that the overwhelming majority of the Gallente electorate desires an equitable peace. They also remember the many sacrifices made in our struggle with the State.

The beneficence shown by the Gallente people as represented by their Senate thus has its limits. Soon enough the benefits of such actions need to manifest or support will falter. The price was high thus the peace cannot be seen to be one sided.

I congratulated the parties on the peaceful transfer of Arcurio to Ishukone. Many are now watching to see how this change will be implemented.

This thread was going places. Good thing Kim showed up to prevent that.

Anyway, Grats on Arcurio. It will be amusing to see what comes after Caldari Prime is turned over completely.

Someday......

Firstly, thank you for your considered response Jinari. I would note that what follows is personal opinion based upon my observations over the last decade of our existence and my attempts to clarify and understand what I've stood witness to. I'm not trying to persuade you or anyone else of anything you're not already considering - rather, like someone else who did this a few years into the capsuleer era, I'm trying to provide a scouted path for others of a like mind to follow. Pieter's question and the answer I gave have been on my mind recently.


One of the reasons we are given all these things is to perpetuate the very human tangle of loyalties and ties we all carry with us beyond death. In doing so we are encouraged to forget - or at least not consider - what it is we actually are and how tenuously linked with humanity that makes us.

Profit margins are really only of interest to the living. The majority of humanity has a fragile and finite existence that many capsuleers lose concern for mere days after obtaining their license.

As an example, we indulge in events such as the annual Alliance tournaments that involve using weapons of mass destruction to vaporise the ships of opposing capsuleers. We call this sport, we cheer for the spectacle and the splendour and pay little heed to the large numbers of human lives lost to feed our need for such entertainment.

To make a profit from a deal you actually need something to gain leverage with. How will the State, the Federation or any other human-administered faction one cares to name bargain with an entity that fields several thousand pilots or soldiers that are effectively immortal, that are independently wealthy beyond the dreams of most non-capsuleers, that subsequently have no fear of death, no fear of sanction, no need to bend a knee and seek only to take by force what isn't yet theirs?


Your assertion that the entirety of the capsuleer population couldn't take on an entire nation is clearly a strongly held belief and I'll refrain from arguing against it - respectfully, I think it might continue to be held despite any projections I might be able to make that dispute it.

To address the next point we must agree that in an otherwise balanced conflict between clones and humans the supply of the latter will eventually be exhausted and humanity will either have to appeal for ceasefire or face extinction.

There are a lot of capsuleers who profess loyalty and there are nearly as many who back that up with actions, this is true. Once we accept the above, however, what you're inevitably describing is a typical clone war.

The large null-sec alliances in such a conflict are far better positioned to both withstand the attacks of loyalists and effectively counter with their own objectives. The reason is simple - they've given up on humanity, they simply don't care about it or its trappings. To most of them the destruction of a space station, the orbital bombardment of a planet, the extinction of all human life within a system, region, constellation or even the cluster itself are nothing but numbers on an unimportant spreadsheet. They don't care if it's people in their own systems or those in their enemy's systems that are being massacred. Further, they enjoy - even thrive on - the reactions of those who do care. For them, that's a morale boosting response even as it saps the morale of those they're fighting.

In a clone war those with the least to lose in terms of ideology will inevitably emerge victorious, all other things being equal.


Amusingly, the existence of large capsuleer power-blocs within null-sec both supports and argues against these assertions. While I disagree on the numbers you've alluded to - that is, I don't believe there would be several thousand different causes squaring off with one another - I do agree that most of these blocs are currently notoriously unstable. Certainly none have yet demonstrated nearly enough stability to establish empires that will rival the current ones in longevity or legacy.

That said, it does not take a determined beast long to rampage through and permanently destroy a porcelain shop, even if said business has stood and prospered since ancient times. Curiously, the only time these large alliances appear rock-solid in their stability is when a strong, charismatic leader issues a call-to-arms that appeals to either their bloodlust or their need for 'lulz'.

Witness the battle of 5-R5RB and imagine something on a similar scale occurring with little more than a few hours warning in Luminaire or Jita or over and across any of the homeworlds of the Federation, the State, the Empire or the Republic. Then imagine it happening every few weeks or months for no other reason than somebody deciding it was an enjoyable way to pass time.

Any gains capsuleer alliances make in this way are unlikely to be of any real permanency for the alliances involved but this does not necessarily argue against them being eventually fatal wounds to the groups they are struck against.

I am aware I am quite late on responding to this development, but I believe this is worth a few words.

As always the actions of Ishukone continue to be a beacon of hope for New Eden. Let us hope others are watching and learning, so we may continue to move toward a peaceful resolution to the conflict that plagues not only the State and Federation, but the countless conflicts throughout our cluster that could be ended in a instant should a diplomatic hand be extended.

Is there another way to achieve said utopia?

Can we take the Caldari out of caldari state, too?

But how to run it?

So basically we just let the Black Eagles take over?