EVE General Discussion

There is a general consensus on this point;

I like how people whine about a mechanic they refuse to use out of some mistaken sense of e-honour.

I hope you guys are aware that links are not only used for pvp.

If they nerf links and make them on grid only then it will have a side effect of destroying aspects of wormhole PVE.

Fozzie has already said that he wants to bring them in grid. The current state of the game does not necessarily reflect the intent of the devs but is rather a balance between resources and goals.

The rewrite that's needed to do new stuff with gang links will also affect a number of other things, including breaking one of the biggest remaining performance bottlenecks on Jita and big fleet fights. Unsurprisingly that helps raise its priority.

How does bringing them on grid stop you from wanting a second account anyway?

When. When they nerf links and make them on grid, it will have a side effect of forcing everyone to tell you that nobody cares about your PvE problems because the PvP aspects of the game are vastly more important.

WH PVE revolves entirely around PVP.

You have probably never lived in WH space so I don't know if you understand.

We put great amounts assets on the line so we can make money to then pvp for extended periods of time.

We risk upwards of 15 to 20+ billion to run a single site this in turn allows us to pvp 99% of the time we play so yes people can and will care.


Not everyone is as narrow minded as you, there are alot of things to consider before just "doing something".

Having carriers stress there reps on lokis while also now having to worry about a paper thin booster on grid is not possible.

I care about pvp too Its all ive done since ive played Eve and in that time ive learned that just jumping on something without thinking of all the side affects to pvp AND pve is a bad thing.

You need to think about all the things that will be affected there is a bigger picture.

I wouldnt be able to do things like this:Dread Blap regularly without being able to run sleeper sites which is more like pvping then pveing.

I know you may not like what im saying but I will say it anyway.

Nothing would make me comfortable with optimal gameplay for some characters during a battle being for them to sit at a safespot.

I the opposite of agree with forcing all bonuses to be on-grid.

Two solutions:

1. get your own booster ship
2. probe down the other guys' booster ship and kill it in its safespot

Fozzie: This is not the last change we'll be making to gang links. What you’re seeing is very similar to what we did with tech, a change in preparation for a bigger change.

AK: Are you at liberty to say in what direction that change will be? Or is it something that affects links tangentially?

Fozzie: You're gonna need to have them on grid. So that's a very non-tangential change.

… (some rubbish from the presenters Smile)

Fozzie: The changes we made to the strength of links are quite light in [Odyssey] 1.1 and in a lot of ways there’s actually significant buffs. The reduction in price of the mindlink is huge, … the ability to fit them much more easily (we’ve cut their powergrid in half) and all of that combines to mean that you’re going to get more bonuses from the same number of ships than you were before.

Fozzie: The biggest nerf we made was not to the module itself – it was the fact that you can no longer use it inside a POS forcefield. And that’s one of the big first steps we’re making toward getting all of these ships that are providing an effect on the battle into some kind of danger.

AK: When they come on the field are you considering making further changes to the ships themselves to provide more mobility options for command ships?

Fozzie: We’re gonna be making a lot of changes as we go with them. I’m pretty happy with the mobility of command ships. It would be nice someday to add a smaller ship that is capable of providing links than the ones we have. At the moment the strategic cruiser is the most agile ship you can possibly bring links with. Having something smaller you can bring with a faster fleet would be nice. But I don’t think we’re going to be making command ships themselves any more agile.

AK: A new destroyer would be interesting, a tech 2 destroyer that could fit some kind of command thing would be interesting.

Fozzie: I’m definitely not able to promise anything but that’s the kind of thing that could very well happen someday.

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