Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, except, you know, the people who sell those.

It's not like they come from nowhere and cost nothing, you realize. Implants are a fairly important part of the LP economy.

Accepted. They can be replaced by learning boosters with limited duration (e.g. weeks)

I can see an opportunity for either new Sanshas implants, or salvaging/reproccessing implants from podded players' bodies. They could be highly illegal, and thus a further opportunity for generating game content.

No, it doesn't depend on the cost. It's an isk tax on playing the game at the same level as a veteran. Especially depending on new player income, it is a crippling blow to newbies being able to narrow the gap compared to veteran players.

And if you make them negligible cost to counter that, you have destroyed an entire market.

There is no way that this would work out well, at all. Every potential outcome is much worse than the current situation. And the only "problem" about how it works right now is that some people are risk averse chickens who don't want to risk a feeling of loss.

We just got the new super cheap low level implants

And given how sans omega the sets top off at a bil
It really isnt bad for the "newbs"
Particularly as it makes an awesome ISK gate and accomplishment as they build out the set and get stronger
That is it gives them something to look forward to rather than saying here is a bigger ship, with different weapons
Have fun just sliding around on this circle

Well, there are already many other taxes to play the game, clone costs, NPC taxes, insurance, ... I don't see why learning boosters are any different.

actually, he kind of didn't run in to malcanis' law at all.

a full set of +5s would naturally be more prohibitively expensive than a temporary booster for +5s would be. hence there's a lower barrier to entry for new players in terms of isk. that does benefit new players, and older players are still only getting +5 attributes so they aren't benefiting from it at all.

now they've changed the pirate implants to give more attribute bonuses, there's no longer a reason not to use them anyway. having +4 attributes on hg pirate implants has already taken away the choice between training and combat implants.

having them as cheap temporary boosters wouldn't destroy a whole market. you've just shifted from a large one off cost of an implant, to a cheaper recurring cost. all that has happened is you've gone from high value low volume items to low value high volume items. in any case the value of the implant or booster is irrelevant, the isk/lp conversion is what is important when considering income for players.

in closing; yes it is an isk tax, but so were implants. except now there's equality of everyone paying the same for the same benefit where as before those who went and had "fun" and "created content" were shafted with a higher tax upon having to either replace implants, or forego them completely. hence, discouraging those activities.

although alternatively; **** learning implants and **** learning boosters just scrap them and turn the learning implants in to a new pirate set like a shield version of slaves.

Pereception
I gain nothing from risking the learners
They do nothing to benefit me if I use them in pvp
Slaves, halos, crystals
All give a benefit for wearing into combat
Heck the sensor series really only work in combat and maybe versus gursitas

Thats the difference
I gain nothing by risking learners
I gain much when I risk the pirate sets

Thats the perception

Also done right crystals and bastion can leave a shield boost marauder soloing a gang
Or at least that is the perception of the multi thousand dps tank

Which is the point
Risk is perception based
So is reward
Just see the difference between people for a dollar and getting a small shock

The main reason implants were implemented was to act as an incentive to combat medical clone travel (pod express). Then jump clones were introduced as an incentive to actually use implants.

Making implants reusable would undo all of that and make it so people simply never used jump clones.

I am arguing that market interaction, buying, selling, etc, is just as much "player versus player" as shooting at other players. The only exception being cases where one goes extremely far out of their way to only interact with the npc ISK sinks and produce all their own materials. Even if a group of people decide to never buy anything from another player again, and build/farm all their own stuff, interactions between this group are still "player versus player" as someone will always gain and someone will always lose. Zero sum game, and all of that.

Well, the OP is only complaining about +5s. And +5s are pretty dumb unto themselves no matter what. Requiring a training time investment that will take about a year to pay off and ten times as much isk as +3s.

Which kinda suggests the problems are mostly in the OP's head.

And yes, I hate myself for that.