EVE General Discussion

just as ice miners are the lowliest pesants of the eve player universe, so too are ice mining bots the lowliest bots of the eve bot universe

goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

terribly sorry about your ice bot cipher jones

You can't say somebody like ilusive or elusive illsuive, (Uhm you know, the guy mentioned in Eve Vegas)and his isk acquisition methods are not questionable at best.

Why can't we just mine ice moons / ice planets for ice?

It'd get rid of the least interesting and least profitable profession in eve... Just add it as another PI thing you can do and it'll be cool... As ice.

With the terrible ideas that CCP has regarding PI, don't give them any more ideas. Interbus? Just terrible.

elusif?

he's acquiring eve gold, not isk.

Dradius evidently did not hear about the ice mining op MM had where they lost a fuckton of hulks and Macs. This even tho the entry gates were bubbled and camped and titans for overwatch. Amazing what a black ops gang can do. Dradius, let me give you this one little bit of info......no where in null is safe. Now you can kindly deposit isk into my wallet in graditude.

nice B - er I mean PR Job there lol

I like your "anti-bot campaign"



Didnt a guy in Test JUST get banned for something that involved a shitload of ppl filing petitions? So in that logic, Mittani should be banned for getting ppl to petition EVERY ice miner you kill. Cause contrary to your warped view EVERYONE that mines ice isnt a bot.

The way I read the blog was that CCP has made the decision to put switches on database entries for high sec ice to make those belts exhaustible. Actually the code to use switches is already in server code because CCP has moved ice belts before within high sec.

If I remember right from the last ice belt moves, it took a two weeks to a month to mine out ice belts in shut down areas due to the vast quantity in the belts.

Most importantly , like the Fuel Block implementation, flipping the switches for the ice changes will occur at CCP timing and discretion. And apparently flipping the switches for killing high sec ice is way down on the internal CCP list of changes to activate as CCP has not yet put ice on the public features list with a date or even general time frame. Perhaps the switches will not get thrown at all during Crucible if other things cause too much chaos.

As far as the exhaustible ice belts go...I did read that too. However, I read that as a transition feature to no more ice in high sec. Again CCP has moved ice in high sec before and they had a transition where ice did not renew / respawn any more. I am pretty sure this is what Dev's meant by exhaustible. Keep in mind ice is already technically "exhaustible" but there is jsut so damn much of it that it renews / respawn before any practical method of mining it out.

Finally, from my reading of the blog there was to be no new ice belt creation. In fact the only "move" I saw was referring to forcing players to move ice mining operation to low and null sec.

As to pure speculation on what change in EVE that CCP expects to occur?

Well first I suspect CCP figures null sec will NOT in general step up to filling Jita market for ice products. Two reasons: first its boring and doesn't pay well even with prices hikes due to loss of supply -- and second there will likely be lots of null sec strategic arm wrestling over cutting off supplies to the enemy. Possibly a lot of control towers will get changed to home sovereignty area ice given the POS fuel block changes. Bottomline: null sec is not really known for carebear activity. The private side business of null sec small corps and individuals maybe highly dependent on how bulky fuel blocks are to ship.

Second, I think that in CCP minds that means low sec ice belts will end up supporting worm hole space, low sec POS and those hi sec POS not owned by null sec alts. Meaning that they can't force you to null sec big alliance games -- but CCP figures there will be some really intense small fleet action in sec action against pirate just out to spoil POS fuel supply. heck there alliance areas in null sec with no ice belts. So either they conquer their biggest foes in nullsec after years of trying...or they also compete in low sec ice belts. I can again say that CCP probably expects having multiple racial types of POS may stretch many alliances and corps too thin to compete in actual protected ice mining.

So in the end CCP is probably just generally aiming to stir things up by creating shortages ad opening vulnerabilities at certain random POS. Eventually it will all stabilize again though.

Put 90% of ice in Low sec...