Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think CCP's vision is to drive people out of high sec per se. I think their vision is to encourage player-generated content and to make all space appealing and interesting.

A livelier high sec wouldn't be a place to drive people out of.

I dunno ... I wouldn't mind it if you were (for example) -1.0 sec status and being "suspect" throughout hisec.

But they'd have to re-work sec status gains / losses too, so that there is an incentive for people to actually go and shoot that guy with negative sec status flying through the gate, other than "hey, maybe there's a shiny inside" (not that the possibility of a shiny isn't good enough of a reason).


Edit -- clarity.

Good idea, thanks, OP updated.

I honestly do not know if and how many 'bears' would shoot flashies. The idea is, give 'em potentially many more flashies to shoot! Then it's up to them. Also, not all people living in highsec are PVP-averse. I think RvB would have a blast, for example.

Look at it this way: worst case, nothing much changes. Best case, more explosions! And more people dipping their toes in pvp. What's not to like?

Want to see what player owned law enforcement is like?

Goto a FW lowsec and "welp" in local with an expensive ship, hoping the "Player POPO faction of your choice" will save you.

Then come back here and discuss the "pros" and "cons" of your idea...

Looks interesting.

Long term I would like to see players replace Concord personally, but I'm not sure how it could be done without massive problems so I won't go into it here.

Another option might be to allow players to join the Faction Police as enforcers based upon their standings. If there were enough players in faction policing we wouldn't need NPCs. Again, I'm not sure how a corp would work as a hybrid of NPCs/Players though, might be better to split them.

You cannot escape PVP in eve.
If you want to be able to escape PVP, there are a multitude of other MMOs that will probably cater to that desire.

+1, but make it apply to both sec status as well as faction standings. Let Caldari players police Jita and the surrounding systems, and so on.

A good way to get people interested in Faction Warfare.

Works for me, and suggested something very similar a few years ago.

Not sure what you mean there...

I'm in GalMil, sure we militia bros have eachother's backs. When I ask for help I always get it, and I always help my mates.


If you mean my idea would get negative sec status players easily ganked while fooling around in highsec in a blingy ship, well great! That would indeed be 'working as intended'.

There seems to be some confusion in the replies as to what NPC does what and the effects this suggestion will have.

First there are 3 type of Hi Sec NPC police 'type' forces. Concord, Faction Navy and Faction Police. (Actually there is also 'Customs' who deal with illegal goods, no more need be said of them.)

Concord only spawn and attack players in high sec who have or gain a criminal flag. Thus after that 15 minute flag has worn off, even the most piraty pirate are not concerned by Concord. Concord attacks are always leathal and cannot be escaped from.

Faction Navy only spawn and attack enemy militia players and players of -5.0 (or lower) negative standings to that faction who enter the said faction's High Sec. It doesn't matter what their general sec status is or whether they have any engagement timers running. Faction Navy attacks are the weakest of the three and can be tanked or escaped from.

Faction Police are like the side kicks of Concord. They react to the security status set on a player by Concord and engage players in high sec if their sec status is below the set threshold for the security level of the system. The word 'Faction' is a bit of a misdemeanor because sec status is global to all factions and who's faction space you are in is irrelevant. Again their attacks, while stronger than the Navies can possibly be tanked but usually you simply keep moving in a small agile ship to avoid them.

It is the final 'Faction Police' that the OP is suggesting doing away with and instead allowing other players to attack players who sec status is at -2.0 (depending on the system sec status) rather than the current global -5.0 threshold. In short allowing other players in high sec to choose to take over the role of the Faction Police, when a valid target enters the system.

The proposed changes which negatively impact solo players with a sec status between -2.0 and -5.0 as you would be replacing a weak NPC police force with other players hunting them. However, it would positively impact players with a sec status lower than -5.0 as all you would be doing is removing the NPC police force from their worry list.

The biggest impact would be on group roams. This would allow organised pirate gangs to effectively roam high sec in relative immunity. A gang of suicide gankers for example wouldn't have to wait for their target to be identified before undocking, they could roam in a big pack with logi support. What hi sec citizen would be foolish enough to fire the first shot at a pirate who was part of a 30 Catalyst blob with logi support? Admittedly, only the pirate they shot at would legally be able to fire back. But apart from the intimidation factor, if the hi sec citizen was in a decent ship capable of destroying a catalyst from under the reps of several logi, he would also be a valid suicide gank target for other cheap fit catalysts.

Yes there may be instances of organised mercenary corps taking on such pirate roams, but in my experience, most hi sec grieving corps, tend to prefer softer targets. In the main this will be a license to suicide gank and grief.

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