Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the upcoming changes to industry it revitalised my interest in the game when it was beginning to wane and i decided to skill into production and manufacturing but i noticed a problem. I recently began to look at what is profitable to build and one item stood out.

The procurer.

In order for me to manufacture a procurer it would cost me around 30-40% more than buying one from the market place and after a little digging around it appears this is the fallout from when you added the extra material costs to manufacturing over 2 years ago!

At the time of the change people were inquiring about the same thing i have noticed and at that time people were speculating there was a 6 month supply of procurers. However, here we are approaching 3 years later and they are still there in abundance.

There are forum posts from as little as a few months ago with a single person who has thousands of them to sell and this trend looks like it has the capability to carry on for not months but years.

No doubt some people will try to defend the situation but is it really your intention to let the people who took advantage of this situation to effectively cut out not only myself but everyone else, new and old who might take an interest in manufacturing from producing this ship and being able to sell it without incurring a loss until this supply has ran out?

If I may suggest a non-Dev oriented solution?

Catalysts are cheap.

If there is too much supply, then you need to increase demand.

It's very simple, by the way.

The current stock exists from when the material costs were cheaper, as you mentioned.

And then you realize that since the barge buff, they almost never die. The turnaround rate on these ships is ridiculously low. So people with existing stocks can sell for a price that drives out any potential competition without an existing stock of their own.

Because the only way to fix it would be to divest everyone of their existing stock, or implement price controls.

Neither of which is happening.

So your actual solution is to pick a different product to make and sell.

So, you think you get to ask CCP to strip away their hard work? Just because you want to have it instead of them?



Probably because of the shocking amount of entitlement on display on your part. You think this situation is unique? You think this is the only market that some few people have cornered? Psh.

They earned it. You didn't. So stop asking CCP to take something away from other people, and go earn something for yourself instead of asking for space welfare.

Why should a patch change take away everyone's stock of ships? Like I said, this is not a unique situation, there are plenty of small markets dominated by a particular group. Goonswarm, for example, is widely reputed to have control of nearly 90% of Hulk production in the entire game.

So, you can't break into that market? Tough luck, that's capitalism. Something that very heavily defended by the devs, by the way. The only time they really screw with the market is with PLEX prices, and even then it's very carefully because it's such a contentious subject.




Taking advantage is how you earn things in EVE.

And yes, it is your entitlement, not anyone else's. You think you are entitled to be able to compete in a market just because you want to, and to that effect you want to strip away existing stocks of ships from other players just because they can afford to sell lower than you can.

That is so much entitlement I'd be surprised you can even blow your nose.

Nevermind that it would be a godawful idea to forcibly reprocess them, as that would probably cause a mineral prices crash.

Well I get your dilemma but if you are serious about production..just find something else to make that is profitable. There is nothing ccp can do if there are a bunch of hulls on the market below cost.

They did earn it. They certainly have more right to it than you do.

And it does not, by the way, make it impossible for you to produce Procurers. Merely impossible for you to produce them at a profit for yourself.

And like I said several times already, this situation exists all across the game, and CCP is completely fine with it.



Yes, you do. You are literally arguing that people who have cornered a market be severely punished for doing so. And all because it makes you sad that you can't build Procurers to sell.



Yeah, it is. If you think otherwise, you aren't doing it right.



No, I'm not working against capitalism. That would be you, since you are demanding that CCP alter the game to allow you to compete when you otherwise could not.

You seriously need to get over yourself.

It's not out of reach of everyone. Hyperbole does not add to your argument, especially when it's as obvious as that.

Nothing stops you from making one yourself.

I haven't given either of those two.

You said "why should this ship be out of reach for everyone..."

And it's not out of reach for everyone. That sentence is pure hyperbole.

And if that's your issue, which is what I have been addressing by the way, the answer is too bad. CCP is not going to divest players of their rightfully gained property just because you cry about them winning at the market.