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What Should I Use To Kill Sleepers In WH?

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Talia Valta
Quovis
The Bastion
#181 - 2015-06-11 11:21:11 UTC
Hi all,

I'm looking into doing some daytripping (wh diving) from null sec, on another pilot. The aim is to do some quickish exploration for faction relic and data sites, and maybe run one or two sleeper sites.

As I understand it, faction relic sites, are unguarded by the sleepers and the perimeter sites have sleepers, would an omni tank Ishtar fit for exploration be able to handle the sleeper drones?

If the Ishtar is going to be a bit soft against the sleepers, would a Stratios be better?

The pilot going into the Wh's has shield and armour compenstions at 5 and max fitting skills too.

Thanks in advance.
Aquila Sagitta
Black Dragon Elite
Rate My Ticks
#182 - 2015-06-11 11:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Ishtar might have some issues tanking c2 mag/radar. Remember mag/radar sites are like the next class up anom. Ishtar could probably normal c2 anoms tho. Just gotta have sufficient tank or good kite abilitys. If all your looking to do is get the cans you could just kill everything except last ship in first wave. Then I don't think you'd have any issues.

I recommend jumping on Sisi and testing it out!
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2015-06-11 14:19:58 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Ishtar might have some issues tanking c2 mag/radar. Remember mag/radar sites are like the next class up anom. Ishtar could probably normal c2 anoms tho. Just gotta have sufficient tank or good kite abilitys. If all your looking to do is get the cans you could just kill everything except last ship in first wave. Then I don't think you'd have any issues.

I recommend jumping on Sisi and testing it out!


Ishtar can tank easily C2 sites! That's not a problem.

If the intention is just to get access to the sleeper hacking site cans, forget it! They are not worth the time to hack them. Just stick to 0.0 hacking sites in wormholes. That's it.

If you want a better ship for C2 than Ishtar, but same approach --> Gila!

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Talia Valta
Quovis
The Bastion
#184 - 2015-06-11 19:12:14 UTC
Thanks for the info.

I'll give it a go on the test server.

I was also thinking of using a Gila but with heavy missiles instead of HAM's.

Are HAM's the best option or are heavy's ok to use?

HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#185 - 2015-06-12 06:55:14 UTC
Neither the one, nor the other. --> RLML Blink

Yes you want them! For several reasons! :)

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Aquila Sagitta
Black Dragon Elite
Rate My Ticks
#186 - 2015-06-12 11:10:55 UTC
Reason #1 being so you can forum warrior in-between reloads Cool
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
#187 - 2015-06-23 03:52:09 UTC
Confirmed this week that you can solo C2 Wolf Rayet sites in a solo Atron.

I did the Sleeper Information Sanctum, because why make it easy on yourself? My advice is, prior to starting the wave with the 4 web frigates, you want to pre-load Null is all i'll say. I got through in 16% hull. Had to warp on and off grid a few times during the Outguard due to its neuts capping me out, but if it doesn't spawn you might find the ISK/hr effective.

Not efficient ISK wise: 33 minutes, 14M ISK blue poo, no nanoribbons. But it IS possible. Noobs take note!

I cbf uploading the video of it. Even at 4 x speed it's pretty boring apart from the second wave when i get down to hilarious hull percentage, but if you really, really tell me you don't believe me, I will.

[Atron, Armour]

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Void S x240

300 DPS, 27m sig, 1253m/s and stonking 67.9 DPS active tank ftw!
Aquila Sagitta
Black Dragon Elite
Rate My Ticks
#188 - 2015-06-23 22:26:58 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Noobs take note!


Noobs with lvl 5 skills for armor tanking atron?
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
#189 - 2015-06-24 00:40:58 UTC
If the noob loads Null for the frigates, ezpz. Do as I say, not as I do.

Besides...are we talking trial account noobs or can't fly Tengu noobs? Cause there's a lower limit to what you can do, and I just put this out there because there's not much lower than an Atron (or any frig with 3 lows).

If people try it in an Atron and fail, it costs them...3.8m ISk. Pretty sure that's a fine sacrifice.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2015-07-14 13:46:00 UTC
Is this still updated? Because the first page shows old stuff or not complete stuff, where some good advices have been listed on the last 20-30 pages.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

QQsauce
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2015-07-25 18:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: QQsauce
So guys is there actually any viable minmatar battleship capable of running c3 and perhaps c4 wormholes with a wingman?
I have a friend who's using a gila right now, it's a great hull but apparently he's jealous of me sitting in a rattlesnake.
He's mainly minmatar, skilled a bit in gallente hulls because it's a part of our corp doctrine, training for a 3rd bs isn't really an option for him at the moment.
From what I've read the mach, which would be a natural step forward with his skill training isn't really all that great for wormholes because it's mainly a speed tanking ship. Ofcourse this might not be true, I don't really have any knowledge about minmatar ships.
Also with his skill points ships like sleipnir or other high skill point ships are out of the case.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#192 - 2015-07-27 11:38:02 UTC
Typhoon could be something, which could be used. tank and dps.

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#193 - 2015-07-28 14:45:55 UTC
The Tempest is well suited for c3-anoms with 800s, and as a MJD-hopper for c4s with 1400s (albeit two pests is far from cutting it). If you all align to the same celestial prior to microjumping, you end up being in RR-range once more.
QQmonzter Bathana
Hotline K162
The Clown Car
#194 - 2015-07-31 20:46:59 UTC
Is there any point in trying to make an active fit for a rattlesnake to solo run C3 sites?
Right now I've a passive fit, something like this

[Rattlesnake, active]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Gecko x1

With this I have no problem running fortifications and solar cells, outposts are a no-go solo for me.
I'm wondering if switching to an active fit would allow for some better application mods? (like a target painter or the new missile computer thingy)
QQmonzter Bathana
Hotline K162
The Clown Car
#195 - 2015-08-01 06:34:32 UTC
So I'm going to answer my own question and maybe help someone who's looking for such information.
First thing I had some time to sit around in eft, modified the passive fit a little bit, on paper the tank looks better, I need to check out if a tracking speed scripted T1 link will be better than a T2 enhancer (can't be arsed to train drone sharpshooting to V atm)

[Rattlesnake, new rattlesnake]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

EM Ward Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Tracking Speed Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Gecko x1

This is really dirt cheap right now.
147k EHP and 259 hp/s regen in eft with fairly even resists (lowest being 76 kinetic with my skills). Can swap the thermic passive resist for a target painter for waves with low dps and lots of cruisers for better application.

Also found a fit and made something active, this fit is somethig like 100m more because of the shield booster and one T2 rig (i threw it in there because...I don't know why, you could go with all T1 or all T2 depending on your wallet I suppose)

[Rattlesnake, active rattle]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link I, Tracking Speed Script
'Glycerine' Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

563 sustained tank, maximum 971, with everything on cap lasts 1min25sec. For c3 sites this shouldn't be an issue because on fortification where they neut the incoming dps is low, on outpots where you have to deal with 2 battleships they don't neut.
I'll try this out if I get my hands on a cap rigged rattlesnake, can't be bothered to buy a second hull right now.
Aquila Sagitta
Black Dragon Elite
Rate My Ticks
#196 - 2015-08-05 14:49:25 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Is this still updated? Because the first page shows old stuff or not complete stuff, where some good advices have been listed on the last 20-30 pages.


Any update suggestions I'd be keen to hear Blink
Moth Eisig
#197 - 2015-08-05 18:05:31 UTC
The C3 Ishtar could be removed or have an [outdated] tag added since it has the old slot layout.
Kamahl Yrgybly
Unpublished Chapter
Suddenly Content
#198 - 2015-08-10 08:02:49 UTC
I've had a fun time dual-boxing with a Phantasm for DPS and an Osprey for logi + salvage. C1 sites are super easy, C2 sites are fine too, so long as you keep your eyes open and keep hitting D-scan. Salvage I was harvesting during the battle to save time. Could possibly even manage some C3 sites with a slighty blingy fit and proper piloting.

Yes, I know it's certainly not the most efficient or ideal etc. setup for C1-2 sites (yes I know, solo Gila is quicker, done that too), but its decent ISK/hr and good Fun/hr, if you're into unorthodox methods.
Ujagar Sommdax
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#199 - 2015-09-10 13:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ujagar Sommdax
My ishtar setup I dual-box c3s with:

HIGH
Large 'Regard' remote capacitor transmitter
Large 'Regard' remote capacitor transmitter
Medium s95a remote shield booster
Medium s95a remote shield booster

MID
Invulnerability Field II
Em ward amplifier II (cal navy ~20m)
Large shield extender II (cal navy ~23m)
Target painter II // 10mn AB or Drone Navigation Computer II

On main I use a target painter to agro, alt using 10mn ab to better keep in range or drone nav if youre using ogres instead of geckos

LOW
3x DDA
Omni enhancer II
Damage control II
Co-Pro II

RIGS
Med core defense field extender II
Med anti-em screen reinforcer II

Clears all c3 anomalies with ease, and only need 2nd shield repper in 3rd waves.

Can also clear some relic data:

R) Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost Smile
D) Unsecured Frontier Receiver Smile

Can clear but super tight:
D) Unsecured Frontier Database (Overheat invul and repper last wave!!, kill frigs fast, stay alligned) Shocked

Cannot clear:
R) Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot Oops


-Ujagar
Aquila Sagitta
Black Dragon Elite
Rate My Ticks
#200 - 2015-09-10 14:48:37 UTC
Awesome! Thanks for posting. And drones! <3