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no one wants to say it? HAMs are crap
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-06-09 04:32:54 UTC
Use a couple rigors & a faction scram, go to null where every one is in a mwd hac or cruiser and crush them from just outside of web range
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#22 - 2014-06-09 08:52:21 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Medium ACs suck too


Shots fires :)


Is true though, medium acs are perhaps the worst damage system in eve right now (just up ther with beams and hmls).


Beams are phenomenal right now. Haven't you tried them since the changes?
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#23 - 2014-06-09 08:54:41 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Use a couple rigors & a faction scram, go to null where every one is in a mwd hac or cruiser and crush them from just outside of web range


J/K blobbed.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-06-09 10:36:08 UTC
HAMs are fine when nobody has skirmish links, it's when you add them in that they become horrible.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-06-09 10:41:38 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
A fully skilled pilot will have 152 m/s for an explosion velocity and 94m for explosion radius on HAMs. An average cruiser (125 m) will start to speed tank it once it exceeds 202 m/s. MWDing? 1212 m/s. A web is mandatory.



The MWD sig bloom will cancel a lot of that. That is the reason why AB speed tanks better than MWD.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-06-09 10:42:49 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
HAMs are fine when nobody has skirmish links, it's when you add them in that they become horrible.



Not at all. Hams still hit as well as turrets on a transversal path. Damage reduction is not somethign bad in game. It is good because make combat against larger number of ships possible.



JUst stop being lazy and bring a target painter in your fleet.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-06-09 10:43:25 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Medium ACs suck too


Shots fires :)


Is true though, medium acs are perhaps the worst damage system in eve right now (just up ther with beams and hmls).


Beams are phenomenal right now. Haven't you tried them since the changes?


Uhm no, beams are ****.

Medium beams - Oh wait, the Ishtar exists. It only has double the DPS, double the tracking, and 15km more range with one range mod and 3 damage mods than a beam Zealot or Legion has with 3 range mods and 3 damage mods. Said Ishtar can also do close range combat on the same fit simply by switching to Gardes, that Zealot or Legion is completely useless close up.

Large beams - Due to fitting costs and slot layout on Amarr ships (Read: Not 8 lows like the stupidly overpowered Megathron) you essentially have 3 less fitting slots than the Megathron on the Apoc, and two less on the Abaddon. Abaddon also has gigantic sig and gets obliterated by bombers.
Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#28 - 2014-06-09 11:26:02 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
A fully skilled pilot will have 152 m/s for an explosion velocity and 94m for explosion radius on HAMs. An average cruiser (125 m) will start to speed tank it once it exceeds 202 m/s. MWDing? 1212 m/s. A web is mandatory.



The MWD sig bloom will cancel a lot of that. That is the reason why AB speed tanks better than MWD.


I think 1212m/s marks the point where speed outdoes the mwd sig bloom and the cruiser begins speed tanking the HAM.

HAM as a solo ship weapon is no good. Although it somewhat works vs cruiser size ships, when going aginst frigs, you'll need either drones or neuts in addition to web. Note that HAM's are also slower than other missiles, so many mwd'ing frigs will be able to just outrun it.

As a gang weapon however I see merit in them.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#29 - 2014-06-09 14:41:42 UTC
I have to agree, I hate HAM these days. So expensive for water flavoured trash and the supermarkets are all like 'totally legit ham dude'. I used to live on a pig farm and I can tell you, proper ham does not taste like that :D
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