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High sec GANKING

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2014-06-06 14:21:55 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:
Fragglewump wrote:
no one here is really saying stop ganking, its more lets make it more difficult. why does any thing need balancing then ? High sec needs to be balanced just as much as null and the only people really opposed to it are pirates and gankers. ive ganked that many hulks its way to easy to do with 2 ships and like i said had no reason to doublethink it and me and my friend where laughing hard over coms.


Lol im saying it. I mean honestly, why not?

I always hear about the risk / reward system. What kind of risk does a hi sec ganker take on when killing a miner or industrial?

Make these pkers operate in low and null, where their fleet is at risk. Heck, miners take on more risk than a ganking fleet.....


Ganking is by far the most punished activity in EVE and the only risk people in high sec face I might add.

If you want 100% safety go play star trek online.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2014-06-06 14:23:02 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

hisec gankers are nearly 100% safe.... so eve isnt for gankers?


Aside from the fact that we operate at -10 and are thus, open to attack from everyone in the entire game.
Joe Boirele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-06-06 14:24:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

hisec gankers are nearly 100% safe.... so eve isnt for gankers?


Aside from the fact that we operate at -10 and are thus, open to attack from everyone in the entire game.


Not to mention are guaranteed to lose your ships whenever you attack. Even in nullsec you don't have that much risk.

Enemies are just friends who stab you in the front.

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!"

chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#44 - 2014-06-06 14:26:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Fragglewump wrote:
no one here is really saying stop ganking, its more lets make it more difficult. why does any thing need balancing then ? High sec needs to be balanced just as much as null and the only people really opposed to it are pirates and gankers. ive ganked that many hulks its way to easy to do with 2 ships and like i said had no reason to doublethink it and me and my friend where laughing hard over coms.


Lol im saying it. I mean honestly, why not?

I always hear about the risk / reward system. What kind of risk does a hi sec ganker take on when killing a miner or industrial?

Make these pkers operate in low and null, where their fleet is at risk. Heck, miners take on more risk than a ganking fleet.....


Ganking is by far the most punished activity in EVE and the only risk people in high sec face I might add.

If you want 100% safety go play star trek online.

The only risk gankers take on is the possibility that the cost of their ship losses isnt worth the gain in isk and or lolz... and if push comes to shove, they biomass and start again.... gankers should move to star trek then yes?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#45 - 2014-06-06 14:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
Joe Boirele wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

hisec gankers are nearly 100% safe.... so eve isnt for gankers?


Aside from the fact that we operate at -10 and are thus, open to attack from everyone in the entire game.


Not to mention are guaranteed to lose your ships whenever you attack. Even in nullsec you don't have that much risk.

Its not risky loosing ur ship, you know you'll lose it in advance and ultimately it will be used for what you intended it to be used for. Its more like a downpayment. The risk is not making up the cost of it in isk and or lolz
Joe Boirele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-06-06 14:29:32 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:
Joe Boirele wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

hisec gankers are nearly 100% safe.... so eve isnt for gankers?


Aside from the fact that we operate at -10 and are thus, open to attack from everyone in the entire game.


Not to mention are guaranteed to lose your ships whenever you attack. Even in nullsec you don't have that much risk.

Its not risky loosing ur ship, you know you'll lose it in advance. Its more like a downpayment. The risk is not making up the cost of it in isk and or lolz


Same as in nullsec. Except you usually don't get any isk, but you aren't guaranteed to lose your ship.

Enemies are just friends who stab you in the front.

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!"

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2014-06-06 14:30:20 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

The only risk gankers take on is the possibility that the cost of their ship losses isnt worth the gain in isk and or lolz... and if push comes to shove, they biomass and start again.... gankers should move to star trek then yes?


You cant recycle ganking alts, thats a bannable offence.

Again, highsec bears with zero knowledge of ganking flipping out on the forums.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2014-06-06 14:31:10 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

Its not risky loosing ur ship, you know you'll lose it in advance and ultimately it will be used for what you intended it to be used for. Its more like a downpayment. The risk is not making up the cost of it in isk and or lolz


As I said, we get punished.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#49 - 2014-06-06 14:32:00 UTC
Joe Boirele wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Joe Boirele wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

hisec gankers are nearly 100% safe.... so eve isnt for gankers?


Aside from the fact that we operate at -10 and are thus, open to attack from everyone in the entire game.


Not to mention are guaranteed to lose your ships whenever you attack. Even in nullsec you don't have that much risk.

Its not risky loosing ur ship, you know you'll lose it in advance. Its more like a downpayment. The risk is not making up the cost of it in isk and or lolz


Same as in nullsec. Except you usually don't get any isk, but you aren't guaranteed to lose your ship.

not the same... you dont always get to pick everything about your engagements.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2014-06-06 14:34:52 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

not the same... you dont always get to pick everything about your engagements.


We pick out the weak, its not our fault people fly around AFK in untanked, cargo expanded, overstuffed haulers
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#51 - 2014-06-06 14:37:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

The only risk gankers take on is the possibility that the cost of their ship losses isnt worth the gain in isk and or lolz... and if push comes to shove, they biomass and start again.... gankers should move to star trek then yes?


You cant recycle ganking alts, thats a bannable offence.

Again, highsec bears with zero knowledge of ganking flipping out on the forums.


lol, im not freaking out. Just pointing out the hypocrisy surrounding this topic
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2014-06-06 14:39:35 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:


lol, im not freaking out. Just pointing out the hypocrisy surrounding this topic


What hypocrisy?

chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#53 - 2014-06-06 14:39:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

not the same... you dont always get to pick everything about your engagements.


We pick out the weak, its not our fault people fly around AFK in untanked, cargo expanded, overstuffed haulers

you do pick out the weak... if you want too kill weak stuff why not go kill npcs? or play star trek online as you suggested?

Or maybe WoW on a pvp server and kill low level players on your max level toon?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#54 - 2014-06-06 14:41:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:


lol, im not freaking out. Just pointing out the hypocrisy surrounding this topic


What hypocrisy?



Carebear says ganking needs nerfed.

Ganker says carebears need risk.

Ganking is a low risk activity.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2014-06-06 14:42:23 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

you do pick out the weak... if you want too kill weak stuff why not go kill npcs? or play star trek online as you suggested?

Or maybe WoW on a pvp server and kill low level players on your max level toon?


NPCs, STO and WoW don't fly around in EVE with a few billion isk in the hold.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2014-06-06 14:44:29 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:


Carebear says ganking needs nerfed.

Ganker says carebears need risk.

Ganking is a low risk activity.


Only ganking isnt risk free is it?

We risk not killing the target

We risk being attacked by war targets

We risk being attacked by everyone when we are -10

We have a 50% chance of the items we are after being destroyed.

We risk being ganked ourselves.

And this is all before we get into the punishments for doing our activity.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#57 - 2014-06-06 14:50:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

you do pick out the weak... if you want too kill weak stuff why not go kill npcs? or play star trek online as you suggested?

Or maybe WoW on a pvp server and kill low level players on your max level toon?


NPCs, STO and WoW don't fly around in EVE with a few billion isk in the hold.


so ur in it for large rewards w/ no risk.

Might i suggest a single player games with cheat code / console access. Some games you can even make the NPC drop whatever you want, and enable god mode, all those cool things. You can kill plenty of NPCs with high rewards and no risk.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2014-06-06 14:51:49 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:

so ur in it for large rewards w/ no risk.

Might i suggest a single player games with cheat code / console access. Some games you can even make the NPC drop whatever you want, and enable god mode, all those cool things. You can kill plenty of NPCs with high rewards and no risk.


That would be best for yourself seeing as how you do not like non-consensual combat in a game that has it as core gameplay.
Scout Vyvorant
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-06-06 14:53:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:

not the same... you dont always get to pick everything about your engagements.


We pick out the weak, its not our fault people fly around AFK in untanked, cargo expanded, overstuffed haulers


Dear Baltec, your post in its sincerity is wonderful and sum up the spirit of EVE.

Many years ago there was no hi sec ganking, or at least it was very rare. You had instead people stealing from your can. Regardless, hi sec ganking is needed and almost a mandatory feature of EVE as today.

I'm a high sec "industrialist", I live everyday with the issue of the possible gankers, while you mine or haul your stuff from a place to another. However, the fact you have the shadow of the killer behind you give a reason to things like "Tanking your Skiff" or "Fit Bulkheads to your Orca", otherwise why would I choose a lesser mining yield ship or an inferior cargo space fit?

As you said the ganker prey the weak, or as I prefer to say, they go for the easier target. Let's say you warp in a belt with two mining team, a band of hulks (either tanked or untanked) and some skiffs (against mixed fits). Who would you pick first? I guess the hulks, and probably after you try to gank down the skiffs.

From an industrialist point of view, the real hi sec industrialist thank you guys for your hard work in weeding off the weak and people whom take poor decisions. Every time you kill a mining barge, someone sells a new one, every time a freighter is destroyed while full of goods, my goods rise in price and someone sells a new freighter.

This is what the ex-CCP economist wanted, consumption, and fit in the vision of CCP seagull of "everything should be destroyable, and eventually, destroyed" like stated at the fan fest. Hi-Sec ganking is hardly going away.

P.s. I love how my browsers tried to correct every time Ganking with Banking.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#60 - 2014-06-06 14:55:42 UTC
Scout Vyvorant wrote:

P.s. I love how my browsers tried to correct every time Ganking with Banking.


I can see how it can mistake the two, they are more or less the same thingLol