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Fragglewump
Dust514.
#1 - 2014-06-06 07:20:35 UTC
I don't have and issue with ganking itself, but I feel that there is not enough of a punishment for it, they get a sec stat hit use tags to get it back, they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it, even freighters with reinforced bulkheads only rakes 4 bc's and 18 destroyers to gank it. I my self think that is not what eve is about, my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter. and even the police in they game is running on a skeleton crew, as more crimes happen in a system the police should ramp up and and as the system cools down the police protection should lower and if there are criminals in the area the system should become more protected making them use more tags.
Shivanthar
#2 - 2014-06-06 07:23:00 UTC
Wear your bullet proof armor and get ready for devastating crossfire, ASAP.

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#3 - 2014-06-06 07:27:56 UTC
Fragglewump wrote:
... they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it...

I may have misunderstood what you say, but I believe you can set your kill right on someone to be taken advantage only by your corp members and/or to give a ISK value to it so that you could recover the value of what you have lost if someone else used it..



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Fragglewump
Dust514.
#4 - 2014-06-06 07:34:19 UTC
Saisin wrote:
Fragglewump wrote:
... they get kill rights they use and alt to get rid of it or some one sets the kill rights to high for some one to want to activate it...

I may have misunderstood what you say, but I believe you can set your kill right on someone to be taken advantage only by your corp members and/or to give a ISK value to it so that you could recover the value of what you have lost if someone else used it..




you can but most gankers dont fly things worth more then 16 mill any ways. a guy in my mains corp has 3 toons on hes accounts just for ganking. and that's how he makes hes isk pulls in about 4 bill a week and he laughs about how easy and no real risk . and when hes free to shot in high sec he just buys tags and hes doing it all again.
jimmy recard
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#5 - 2014-06-06 08:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: jimmy recard
just look at burn jita that is just ridiculous how that can happen for so long in one system and a 1.0 one at that


http://www.isjitaburning.com/metrics.php
Dave Stark
#6 - 2014-06-06 08:08:00 UTC
Fragglewump wrote:
my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter.


there is a counter for everything.

the difference is; one man should not counter 20+. Even the often complained about ECM can't work miracles like that.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#7 - 2014-06-06 08:09:59 UTC
Learn to d scan and fly ships that don t worth ganking.Also you can use a mobile structure and when you see something suspecious in d scan you change your fit and have 300k ehp.Don t know about freighters though.I agree that they are fragile targets but still they need a lot of ships to take them down so don t carry plexes in them.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2014-06-06 08:17:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Fragglewump wrote:
.....my feeling with eve is there should be a counter for every thing in the game and giving 3 low slots is not a good enough counter.......
I knew it would happen, but I'm amazed it's so soon.

Edit: Oh and there are counters, you are just failing to use them.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-06-06 09:16:24 UTC
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-06-06 09:20:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-06-06 09:27:12 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2014-06-06 09:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.


Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.

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Dave Stark
#13 - 2014-06-06 09:38:10 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.


Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.


"you don't live there" is a terrible counterargument.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-06-06 09:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.


Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.


Where else can we find afk, undertanked cargo boats with billions in their holds?

Also what else would you call people who stuff a billion isk into an untanked, cargo expanded T1 hauler that is flying through 0.5 space while AFK? We need dumb people to make ganking worth doing.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2014-06-06 09:41:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.


Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.


"you don't live there" is a terrible counterargument.


More so when we infact do live there. All of EVE is our playground.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#16 - 2014-06-06 09:43:09 UTC
It ONLY takes 25 people to gank a freighter now.

Man can you imagine? It only takes 500 mil of fittings and ships or so.

Oh it also takes 6 hours and half of cumulative GCC timers all the time they have to wait x25 and 25 tags between them.
They must also be organized and there is no guarantee loot will drop and even if it does someone else can steal it or foil their plans.

Freighters were overbuffed, if you want more go play hello kitty online.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2014-06-06 09:52:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its always fun to see people with no idea about ganking flapping about on the forums blaiming everything but themselves and demanding nerfs to the single most punished activity in EVE.


For a second I thought you wanted to tell us that ganking, an illegal activity, should be less punished and more rewarding.


It would be nice to go a year without yet another nerf to protect people from themselves. Reward wise, we are at the mercy of peoples stupidity and lazyness.


Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.


Where else can we find afk, undertanked cargo boats with billions in their holds?

Also what else would you call people who stuff a billion isk into an untanked, cargo expanded T1 hauler that is flying through 0.5 space while AFK?


For the first: Loaded with billions not so commonly, but (afk) cargo boats all over the place: PF-346, 6-CZ49, M-O33E ... or odd haulers with billions in their hold and no protection.

I call them the same because they are either that in most cases; however, they only exist because 00 sec sov holding players don't take their sov serious and require the transport of billions of assets around High sec. If the attitude towards sov would change, a lot of things would change in EVE as a whole without any intervention necessary from CCP. Blink

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-06-06 09:53:09 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
It ONLY takes 25 people to gank a freighter now.

Man can you imagine? It only takes 500 mil of fittings and ships or so.

Oh it also takes 6 hours and half of cumulative GCC timers all the time they have to wait x25 and 25 tags between them.
They must also be organized and there is no guarantee loot will drop and even if it does someone else can steal it or foil their plans.

Freighters were overbuffed, if you want more go play hello kitty online.


You just overloaded the NSA's sarcasm machine.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#19 - 2014-06-06 09:55:08 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:

Why do you bother with these people? They are in High sec, an area of space where they don't affect you in any way, shape or form (or should not if you'd take your sov serious) and where you shouldn't be anyways as you have Sov (your home and area where you are supposed to live and shape and create your content).

As for the "stupidity and lazyness[sic]"; considering your alliance's, your coalitions and other 00 sec dwellers war histories with certain entities, there's endless amounts of these two attributes floating around in space anyways. So, calling that being "at the mercy" is not exactly warranted.


Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.

Regardless of "where" baltec plays though, he is correct in that most ganking is directed at the stupid and/or lazy.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2014-06-06 09:59:45 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

Seeing as Hisec is the place to go for low-end minerals (Trit, Pyer, etc.), as well as modules, ammo, sub-cap ship hulls, structures, fuel, and whatever else one would need to hold sov; well, it affects nullsec players pretty heavily.


This attitude is exactly the problem and root for the majority of EVE's problems. You are not and were never supposed to be dependent on High sec for these, but you made yourself this way because it was "more convenient" for the lazy players.

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My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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