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With Farmers Gone From FW...
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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-06-06 23:47:08 UTC
Val Erian wrote:
except farmers are not gone. just adjusted tactics and tweaked their bot programs.

ie. one guy who runs 6 or so bots has them hanging at edge of cature range then moves off to cloak if something appears on dscan. And since the npc's do not reliably spawn, I was in plex that had one npc for 20 minutes.... the cloaking still works to some extent. Just makes it more difficult for player trying to catch the bot farmers tbh.


If only CCP made the cloak range restriction 100 km we'll see the extinction of bot farmers.

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Isabela Valentine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-06-07 00:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Isabela Valentine
This sounds like the same high pitched whining you hear from HS bears that don't like ppl shooting at them. Only difference is the location. Seriously dude, grow a pair, get some FW friends, and fight back.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#23 - 2014-06-07 01:58:35 UTC
Wow farmers sure are lazy as hell. I read your post, and all I see is you complaining about having to actually look at your farming alts screen for 5 seconds. You can still use warp core stabs, you can still just check short d-scan and warp out before someone comes to tackle you, they only nerfed a tiny aspect of farming. Use a 4x stabbed Incursus/Punisher and you can even let yourself get double scrammed and still get out (which I still encounter despite the changes to cloaking).

As for all your 'equal-match' 'ganking' '50mil sp' crap, that's complete and utter BS. Flying a T1 frig damn near as well as a player with 100mil skill points takes only a month or so and you can actually win fights easily. I have 70mil skill points and still occasionally lose to much newer players in T1 vs T1 battles, all it takes is some practice and dedication with a certain ship/fit.

This whining is worse than miners getting ganked, at least they are engaging in a PvE activity, Faction Warfare is by definition a war, if you don't want to fight and just farm even then there are plenty of options like stabs and warping out. Farmers seriously need to HTFU.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#24 - 2014-06-07 02:49:40 UTC
farmers contribute no lp towards flipping a system. they contribute VP

learn fw.
learn to play eve

rage more please

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-06-07 03:33:27 UTC
This thread gets my **** hard.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#26 - 2014-06-07 03:43:52 UTC
anything that gets juls **** hard is fine by me.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#27 - 2014-06-07 05:09:28 UTC
you can still farm FW missions aka pve with 0 player interaction. Plexing is a sov mechanic which should be a conflict driver otherwise its completely pointless. If you evade conflict you should not be able to influence sov, its really simple. So if you say you can't plex since people who defending their space are hunting you down its exactly how a sov system should work.

i bet 90% of all farmers don't even realize that they influence(d) where people can dock, all what they saw was that evil people where killing their 500k isk stabbed, cloaky frigs for apparently no reasons at all (they probably think they are griefers who don't want to see someone making isk or something).

Not to mention that there are enough undefended systems around. So if you as farmer are so lazy to not look at the map, its really your fault.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#28 - 2014-06-07 06:53:08 UTC
He is right though. Pirates are pussies most of the time.

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JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis
#29 - 2014-06-07 07:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: JaneBudden
Btw just did some testing:
just a normal t1 frig (didnt use a high dps one to compensate with my good skillsRoll no boost no implants also ;))
and i still can do novice and small plexes without eny problems, soo you ***ing farmers drop the cloak ,drop the stab and you can do the same then before
Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-06-07 10:31:50 UTC
ultimate bitterness, Also pointed at such a finite number of PvP players, Most don't care about age and/or ship type they just want kills, And are willing to take a loss every now and then to get them

Actual Link free and scout free solo PvP'er
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#31 - 2014-06-07 11:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Cromwell Savage
...working as intended...

The OP exemplifies the disdain for farmers.

Here, in simplest terms, is where a lot (all of my) 'disdain' is for farmers....

...CCP put the cart in front of the horse with regard to occupancy and station docking...

...at the same time they erroneously up'd the LP reward for plexing so that it became more lucrative then missions...

...then 'allowed' one and two day old toons to run said plexes having a massive impact on system occupancy, which in turn drives station docking.

Day old toons, as thick as locus, swarming over the war zone, directly impacting the docking access for others...with zero risk and all reward. Sorry....**** off.
Douglas Nolm
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-06-07 11:24:20 UTC
For any newish player reading this wondering if FW is for them, THIS is the attitude to have.

Bret Crendraven wrote:
I'm a new guy and love the thrill of Solo plexing and keeping your wits about you incase you get jumped. It's a good experience in multiple things such as D-Scan and keeping your eyes on whose in the system.

Just for instance:

I fly an Incursus 99% of the time (because I'm that nooby) and just because I can, I go into novices so if someone was to jump me, It'd also be in a frigate and I'd have a fairly fair fight on my hands. Granted, I get destroyed most of the time because I'm new and can't PVP to save my life yet but the rule of thumb is:

Dying is trying. If you don't die, you don't learn.


If you act like this pilot, you will have a great time with FW.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#33 - 2014-06-07 12:18:55 UTC
I am loving the tears and the changes!!!
Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
#34 - 2014-06-07 12:53:02 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Val Erian wrote:
except farmers are not gone. just adjusted tactics and tweaked their bot programs.

ie. one guy who runs 6 or so bots has them hanging at edge of cature range then moves off to cloak if something appears on dscan. And since the npc's do not reliably spawn, I was in plex that had one npc for 20 minutes.... the cloaking still works to some extent. Just makes it more difficult for player trying to catch the bot farmers tbh.


If only CCP made the cloak range restriction 100 km we'll see the extinction of bot farmers.



If only CCP would ban accounts of bot farmers we'll see the extinction of bot farmers...




fyi upped the total of accounts by this guy from 6 to at least 9...... was a mass logoff from contacts of 9 bots had entered into my contact list Lol and also noted that previous bots in Amarr milita had switched to minmatar and were botting in caldari ssytems in BR.

Anyway, this change shouldnt realy effect o plexing that much by people active at their keyboards. And it has effected these bots. To many npcs to effectively cloak every time a player appears on D scan so those numbers are reduced .

And its the having to kill npcs that sslowing things up , not lack of cloaking. ability.

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-07 14:13:51 UTC
Val Erian wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Val Erian wrote:
except farmers are not gone. just adjusted tactics and tweaked their bot programs.

ie. one guy who runs 6 or so bots has them hanging at edge of cature range then moves off to cloak if something appears on dscan. And since the npc's do not reliably spawn, I was in plex that had one npc for 20 minutes.... the cloaking still works to some extent. Just makes it more difficult for player trying to catch the bot farmers tbh.


If only CCP made the cloak range restriction 100 km we'll see the extinction of bot farmers.



If only CCP would ban accounts of bot farmers we'll see the extinction of bot farmers...




fyi upped the total of accounts by this guy from 6 to at least 9...... was a mass logoff from contacts of 9 bots had entered into my contact list Lol and also noted that previous bots in Amarr milita had switched to minmatar and were botting in caldari ssytems in BR.

Anyway, this change shouldnt realy effect o plexing that much by people active at their keyboards. And it has effected these bots. To many npcs to effectively cloak every time a player appears on D scan so those numbers are reduced .

And its the having to kill npcs that sslowing things up , not lack of cloaking. ability.



Honestly I've sent my fair share of bot reports and nothing happened to it. Making a 100 km no cloak zone means farmer botters need to warp out to stay alive.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#36 - 2014-06-07 15:51:05 UTC
Cromwell Savage wrote:
...working as intended...

The OP exemplifies the disdain for farmers.

Here, in simplest terms, is where a lot (all of my) 'disdain' is for farmers....

...CCP put the cart in front of the horse with regard to occupancy and station docking...

...at the same time they erroneously up'd the LP reward for plexing so that it became more lucrative then missions...

...then 'allowed' one and two day old toons to run said plexes having a massive impact on system occupancy, which in turn drives station docking.

Day old toons, as thick as locus, swarming over the war zone, directly impacting the docking access for others...with zero risk and all reward. Sorry....**** off.


they did something that you will never do, no matter how much you get rewards.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#37 - 2014-06-07 16:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:
...working as intended...

The OP exemplifies the disdain for farmers.

Here, in simplest terms, is where a lot (all of my) 'disdain' is for farmers....

...CCP put the cart in front of the horse with regard to occupancy and station docking...

...at the same time they erroneously up'd the LP reward for plexing so that it became more lucrative then missions...

...then 'allowed' one and two day old toons to run said plexes having a massive impact on system occupancy, which in turn drives station docking.

Day old toons, as thick as locus, swarming over the war zone, directly impacting the docking access for others...with zero risk and all reward. Sorry....**** off.


they did something that you will never do, no matter how much you get rewards.

You sound bitter, or jelly, or both. No, definitely jelly. :looks at medal and licks it: :fondly remembers his high five with CCP Fozzie: :sends secret thanks to CCP Chatgris:

Knowing that you think the medal was overwhelmingly the result of plex farmers makes it all the more tasty.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#38 - 2014-06-07 17:50:47 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Cromwell Savage wrote:
...working as intended...

The OP exemplifies the disdain for farmers.

Here, in simplest terms, is where a lot (all of my) 'disdain' is for farmers....

...CCP put the cart in front of the horse with regard to occupancy and station docking...

...at the same time they erroneously up'd the LP reward for plexing so that it became more lucrative then missions...

...then 'allowed' one and two day old toons to run said plexes having a massive impact on system occupancy, which in turn drives station docking.

Day old toons, as thick as locus, swarming over the war zone, directly impacting the docking access for others...with zero risk and all reward. Sorry....**** off.


they did something that you will never do, no matter how much you get rewards.


Did what? If you're talking about taking all systems.... _who_gives_a_****.

Don't be like some ex-high school football jock who keeps reminiscing about the highlight of his life playing ball in school because he can't accept the fact that he's a total failure in the real world...
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#39 - 2014-06-08 15:02:20 UTC
I'm sure you can still farm.

Can't cloak in capture range? Move out of capture range and cloak when someone's on short scan.

More rats? Just fit guns and blap them...

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Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-06-10 07:48:23 UTC
Adobe Raide wrote:
I'm not sure what all the high and mighty disdain for FW "farmers" is about. Farmers contributed as much if not more LP to the taking and leveling up of systems as any pure pvp'er. Probably much more because there's few things more selfish than a 'pure' pvp'ing neut/pirate. Even if they'd wanted to be generous their contributions would have been negligible compared to the contributions of those despised "farmers" since LP gained by ganking is negligible.

And what are the pvp'ers who aren't even on an FW side doing but farming PVP newbs? Farming kills. Farming a feeling of superiority by invading a situation they aren't even part of. The hypocrisy is stunning. At least LP farmers weren't ruining people's days by ganking newer players .

The new dynamic favors veteran pvp'ers, non FW players: pirates and gankers. I have no idea why CCP thinks that's a good idea. With cloaking gone the only defense now is in fleeting up. 1/8th of squat is.... not really an incentive to join up. How are sides that are down going to level up? How are they going to hold the systems they capture? In the battle between Caldari (t1) and Gallente (t1 also) for the past couple months the middle 3 tiers were unbreakable because veteran pirates/gankers harassed both sides. FW players were pushed to the edges of the FW game. This is good?

What really gets me is that if the veteran pvp'ers/neuts actually wanted a good fight they'd take on people of their own experience and level. That's not the sort of person you'll find defending a plex. All these guys looking down on "farmers" are the nutless pvp'ers who are too chicken to face off against their own in deep null or WH space. They try to cover their cowardice with false swagger and insults to farmers. Last time a dweeb did that to me in the game I swapped ships for an offensive build and spent two days trying to track that little rat turd down - he never would face me in a non farming ship. If veteran pirates actually wanted a good fight they'd go fight pirates. It appears to be the last thing they want.

I like a good fight, facing off against someone of roughly my skill level - and I almost never get that in FW plexes. I usually get guys with 50M more skill points and years in pvp who have NOTHING to do with FW, and if there's even a chance I can beat them they'll usually bring a friend or two to back them up. When I could earn some money it was usually worth it (and there were many nights where I lost money). Now the rats are even harder (and they don't attack neuts/pirates because....?), cloaks are nerfed, even in missions.

It's like CCP wrapped a turd in a bow, handed it to me and all the newer FW players (aka "farmers") and said "FU".

Fine, we'll find something else to do in the game or another game to occupy our time. We won't be plexing much. I guess the pirates/neuts can jump into the plexes and face off against each other for no LP because, you know, they're bold and they're just looking for a good fight... they're not afraid of an equal match at all.


TL'DR

Butthurt you are getting your **** pushed in since minnie lost all the farmers :) ?

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