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New font doesn't support all the wierd symbols we like to put in front of ship names

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Hratan
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2011-11-17 22:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hratan
The new font supports pretty much only letters and numbers. A lot of corps/alliances use whatever wierd sign they can find in their shipnames for example. With the new font they are all just a square. Please fix - if a symbol not supported by the new font is used, just use from the old font or whatever.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2011-11-17 23:39:44 UTC
Hratan wrote:
The new font supports pretty much only letters and numbers. A lot of corps/alliances use whatever wierd sign they can find in their shipnames for example. With the new font they are all just a square. Please fix - if a symbol not supported by the new font is used, just use from the old font or whatever.


can you give me an example of what signs those are that are broken?

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Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#3 - 2011-11-17 23:50:11 UTC
Fix the things, man!
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#4 - 2011-11-18 01:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
I just picked a spattering of Characters from Character Map and tested them...

Some pilots use weird symbols to help easily identify each other on scan quickly (seeing 50 ships on scanner can get confusing). I mean it could really be any of the symbols you can find in your character mapper that he's talking about -- I'm not sure but I tried a random sampling and some just came up as boxes.

I really don't know which are broken that he's talking about specifically, but I just created a spattering of characters from the character mapper and found these don't work as intended...


Working?
╬ =yes
▄ =yes
Ⱨ = no
Ⱬ = no
♣ =yes
⌂ =yes
℗ =yes
ⱷ = no
Ɽ = no
۞ۜ = yes
۝ =yes
ۢ =not sure?
۶ =yes
ᴗ = no
ᶚ = no


I've seen this one used a lot and that doesn't work atm:
Ï͉̰͏
U+034F : Combining Grapheme Joiner

Any of the weirdest looking ones are really the ones that are the biggest culprits because it's what a player would use outside of intended functionality... Shocked


Just some I found randomly trying them:

All the symbols from U+064B to U+065E, U+02A9 to U+02AF



Honestly, I don't know how realistic it is to get every weird character that EVE Players used in the old character list on there... basically it's either all of them or you'll get some unhappy campers. It seems you're supporting all of the major languages and major symbols that would probably be expected.

I personally don't use them that often myself... but I have been known to dig in there for something on occassion - but will I really be that disappointed if EVE Neu doesn't support my bizarre once in a lifetime usage? Prolly not...

What?

Where I am.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#5 - 2011-11-18 02:35:27 UTC
I think we can all agree that there are more important things to do with the UI than making sure you can put shamrocks in your shipname.
indiana bones
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-18 02:44:07 UTC
But most importantly, does '™' work? (Alt+0153) Surely this is a very important one for CCP to include! Pirate
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#7 - 2011-11-18 05:35:07 UTC
≡√≡ Is a requirement to have in the game.

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-18 05:36:56 UTC
As long as \☺/ works
Witchking Angmar
Perkele.
#9 - 2011-11-18 10:55:20 UTC
Another thing i don't like about the new font is the Greek alphabet, which is inferior to that of the old font in both appearance and legibilty. Could you just let us choose between the old and the new font?
Mar Drakar
LDK
#10 - 2011-11-18 12:03:10 UTC
Witchking Angmar wrote:
Another thing i don't like about the new font is the Greek alphabet, which is inferior to that of the old font in both appearance and legibilty. Could you just let us choose between the old and the new font?


no they don't

this has been said and resaid many times, and if you don' understand why - search forums for explanation.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#11 - 2011-11-18 22:48:31 UTC
Will there be room in the future for additional fronts ranging from classical to electronic looking ones?

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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2011-11-18 23:50:10 UTC
I just tried a whole bunch of weird symbols and they seem fine

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BLACK-STAR
#13 - 2011-11-18 23:57:35 UTC
could ccp make a drop down menu to choose between the older and new font? pretty please.
Hratan
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2011-11-19 16:39:44 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Hratan wrote:
The new font supports pretty much only letters and numbers. A lot of corps/alliances use whatever wierd sign they can find in their shipnames for example. With the new font they are all just a square. Please fix - if a symbol not supported by the new font is used, just use from the old font or whatever.


can you give me an example of what signs those are that are broken?


In our corp we use the ʬ in front of our shipnames. It's broken in Crucible, being replaced with the generic square (because the ʬ sign clearly looks like piranhas right?)
Spaaaace Sphere
Nex quod Principatus
#15 - 2011-11-19 17:19:21 UTC
A font for an international MMO really should include as large a selection of the unicode characters as reasonably possible.

People like amusing themselves by making funny pictures with unicode characters, it's just sort of an odd MMO culture thing. It can't hurt to make sure when you're creating a custom font that it includes as many of them as you can.

Ideally you want to support anything supported by Arial, that's a good standard of compatibility.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#16 - 2011-11-19 23:41:04 UTC
As long as they keep it out of character names for the weirder ones.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2011-11-20 18:58:21 UTC
Spaaaace Sphere wrote:


Ideally you want to support anything supported by Arial, that's a good standard of compatibility.


That's exactly what we do Smile

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Oli Robbo
Entity.
#18 - 2011-11-20 19:15:44 UTC
If I'm honest the new typeface irritates me so much, It makes me want to stop playing (again).

Why take a typeface that was well suited to that of the context in which it has to perform and tarnish it with some standardised rubbish?

basically the old typeface was in suiting with the rest of the feel of the game and it's identity, the new type is overtly cumbersome and harder to engage with.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#19 - 2011-11-20 21:41:19 UTC
Oli Robbo wrote:
If I'm honest the new typeface irritates me so much, It makes me want to stop playing (again).

Why take a typeface that was well suited to that of the context in which it has to perform and tarnish it with some standardised rubbish?

basically the old typeface was in suiting with the rest of the feel of the game and it's identity, the new type is overtly cumbersome and harder to engage with.


Not been on the test server myself, but from what I've seen from screenshots I agree with this.

If you're making sweeping changes like this, make them optional. Support the old font as an OPTION please. Forcing a new font on us all is wrong.
Hratan
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#20 - 2011-11-20 21:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hratan
CCP Punkturis wrote:
That's exactly what we do Smile

But there's plenty of odd signs you still don't support (like our ʬ). Could you please dig them out of whatever fontlibrary you found them in and add them to the new font? And this is not a rage thread about the new font, I can read it which constitutes a good font for me.
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