Warfare & Tactics

Our greatest accomplishment was getting our plants (chatgris, Fozzie, and Yttr) jobs at CCP. It was a bonus that Fozzie landed a job as ship balancer. But, as they say, fortune favors the bold. Maybe you guys will figure it out some day and get your own guys into CCP.

All four militas should by right have the same level of difficulty in FW missions.

It does not make sense to have the easiest FW missions in minmatar, then caldari and the most difficult in amarr and then gallente.

I am not insulting fellow militas, I only want to point out the obvious.

The minmatar and caldari militas consist of farmers mostly - the gallente milita is the best in terrms of organization and force projection - some gal leader chars wrote something about the hard gal missions and the need to get organized in this forum.

The caldari milita is the biggest, but consits of many farming corpses (1000 char corp "Altruism" for example).

The contrast is too big and it is only made up by bad game design.


Ewar is totally unbalanced - the only thing to balance all four milita mission is to remove Ewar as a whole form FW missions.

The rats need same dps - but should have different ranges and weapons and tanks. according to their races.

The best measure for balanced FW missions would be the same type of ship being able to run all four militas missions in the same amount of time.


While the gals ships are the best in game design, the minmatar ships suffered the most im my opionion.

It is not easy to balance ships in Eve. So OP gals ships may go with devs and their gal chars - but each ship type should be balanced in a way to be able to fight each others races comparable ship types with a roughly 50% win chance.

The 50% chance can only be counted on a set of different combat ranges, oc.

it was started as a rebalance thread, racial ewar make missioning for specific factions extremely unbalanced between them.
then it become the old "lets bash pve".

True enough, but don't forget that there are still people who use fw not only to print lp for their caps 24/7. The more farmers farm the more you need to farm in the end to fund your pew-pew. So why people shouldn't be salty about things that impact them in the negative way?

Also there's this one problem - one solution thing. When doing lvl4s in anything but the bomber is counterproductive. Don't you think that there should be more than one viable solution for any task, especially in the sandbox.

I still feel like they need to be harder than AF level, but that's me. I feel like being able to potentially pull in 350k+ LP/hour in an AF is excessive - that's something you can only do with L5s in lowsec in a capital from what I can see. Even hitting the 175k+ at tier 3 is pretty massive, and better than anything other than L5s or incursions.

Make them hard, don't make them easy.

As far as FW being an isk farm, I do feel it's impacted FW negatively. Just look at the problems we see in Caldari, Minmatar and Amarr militias. Far too many folks just in it to use it as an LP ATM to fund the rest of the play, leaving those of us who actually want to fly and fight in FW picking up the pieces.

The Kronos changes have already had a huge impact in lowering the farmer count, which has had a very positive effect on FW overall IMO. Balancing missions upwards would have similar impacts I think.

So many people not in FacWar still believe its dominated by farmers. Kind of aggravating to keep seeing it brought up when its a shadow of the problem it once was.

The effects of the missions are somewhat complicated. For example, a decent argument could be made that gallente and Amarr benefit from having harder missions. This is because it makes plexing for lp comparatively better. Moreover our lp does not get watered down so much. (although the fw stores share so many items the impact would be debatable)

I think the real problem with missions being the lp printing machine they are now is it removes any incentive to fight to gain the "tiers" ccp implemented. Everyone who is even remotely knowledgable about fw can put an alt in minmatar and run their missions. So why bother trying to get a higher tier if you are amarr?

If the missions were nerfed so that you could gain much more lp from plexing then the whole "tier system" of the occupancy war would have some economic relevance. Now it's just very hard to care.

BTW I am not saying nerfing missions is going to fix fw. But I do think it is part of the problem why fw is so stagnant outside the occasional home system invasion for lulz.

so you means that running plexes is so ****** that you need to nerf everything else to get people doing it?
I dont think so.

no, just no - people running missions wont get you less LP from plexes - missioning dont count for system victory points, wont change a faction tier in any way - its just a way for fw people to make money and be targets.
looks like biggest problem with people running missions is that people jugdging them just dont know how fw system work.

Maybe your issue is that you are only looking at the past three hours, and you are disregarding fights that include Faction Warfare players (tama/nourv is basically perma camped by Gal Mil pilots if Perunga is online and he isn't involved in something else) if it doesn't occur in a plex.

I would challenge you to find an area in eve outside of Black Rise/Placid that provides more constant PVP (ships exploding) in the last year, let alone one that provides that much pewage and still has tons of solo/micro gang and isn't just station/gate camping. I have to actively force myself to avoid pew pew if I want to do anything else in game, otherwise I would just be constantly flying around and blowing crap up (and getting blown up myself).

Black Rise
Placid

EDIT: For those looking to get in on the fun

I think 3 hours is decent amount of time to play a computer game in a day. But again we can disagree. Maybe you think that is a short time. No kills in the majority of "warzone" systems.

As far as gallente making tamma the most violent system due to gate camping, well that could be but I don't think its relevant to my point that tiers are basically irrelevant.

As far as the rest of eve being very extremely boring, I will agree.

In any event I think we are getting away from the topic. Would you agree that if fw missions were nerfed relative to plexing then more people would plex? Do you agree that more people plexing would mean more people fighting for plexes?