EVE General Discussion

OP is a fool.

[Hulk, 0.0]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier

Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Mining Drone II x5

Short of rigs, it's MAX yield. I run a sig res ganglink and a shield harmonizing ganglink on my rorq next to the 3 mining links, and this hulk can tank nearly any spawn. Completely cap stable with any crystals. Tank can be changed for angels with ease, or for drones, though it's a little shakier on the drones.

But lets put some numbers out there;

Tank vs guristas (60% kin, 40% therm): 277 dps
Sig radius: 167m
Mining laser optimal range: 36.7km
Implants required: 3% cpu slot 6 implant
Additional implants used: Highwall 5% yield, slot 6
Capacitor stable at with highest CPU usage crystals: 39%

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY: YIELD.
Miners: 3592m3/M
Drones: 309.4m3/M
Total: 3901.4 m3/M


So, that's 3901.4 m3/M yield, cap stable, with a solid tank, one that doesn't even get close to blowing up short of a nasty faction/officer spawn. Whats the procurer do again for yield with all its godly cpu again?

[Skiff, maxyield]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Arkonor Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Mining Drone II x5

Tank vs guristas (60% kin, 40% therm): 274 dps
Sig radius: 125
Mining laser optimal range: 29.3
Implants required: None
Additional implants used: Highwall 5% yield, slot 6
Capacitor stable at with highest CPU usage crystals: 66%, even with survey scanner running full time

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY: YIELD.
Miners: 2739m3/M
Drones: 309.4m3/M
Total: 3048.4 m3/M



End result:
Hulk can tank 0.0 belt rats just fine, and still fit for absolute max yield
Skiff can more easily tank the same rats, at significantly shorter mining range (29.3km vs 36.7km). This is the difference between mining the large asteroid belt from 2-3 spots with careful positioning, to easily from 2 spots.

Yield: 31% higher yield from strip miners on the hulk.

So, yes, sure, you CAN mine in a skiff, it's probably good in highsec with the difficulty to gank if you buffer fit, but for nullsec? Enjoy your pathetic yield.

"But Arronicus, you never touched on buffer, Skiff has super ama-" You're damn right I didn't. Buffer doesn't matter for real mining (0.0). You can active tank the rats, shrug them off, and mine for 100% full yield, or you can buffer tank, swap to combat drones and kill them, then swap back to miners, possibly lose a hulk because the buffer didnt hold out long enough, and overall, lose some of your yield per hour.

Mine with this in empire where the real danger is, doubt it'll last more than a few days if you're lucky. A max yield hulk is a dead hulk in empire space.

When you consider the fact that your inability to fit your ships is the core issue, not a supposed imbalance to the mining barges, it does indeed change the facts.

problem exists between chair and keyboard.

I say sticky this. Not often you will see someone step up and admit to being wrong. There is hope for you after all Ramona.

It does have the slots to fit everything at once, and the CPU. It can run a full T2 active tank while fitted for max mining yield. No other barge can do this, if they fit for max yield in empire, they are very easy to kill. The skiff should at least be a bit easier to kill if he chooses to fit max yield, instead a skiff makes no sacrifices for yield, he can fit for max yield and a strong T2 tank.

Doesn't matter how OP the Skiff becomes.

Most miners are too blinded by greed to see how strong the Skiff really is and will continue AFK'ing in their Macks and become stationary ore pinatas. They will continue to get blown up AFK in their Hulks and Coveters even though the small ore bay makes the entire idea of AFK mining seem impossible in those: they still do it anyways.

I love the new Skiff changes myself. Now I can fit a second Power Diagnostic Unit in the low slots and have just enough Powergrid to fit a Experimental 10mn Afterburner I along with 1x EM Ward and 3x Adaptive Invulverability Fields on it and have a gank/bump resistant ship with 110k EHP. I can also fit a flight of Hobgoblin II's, a flight of light ECM drones and a flight of Salvager drones. Everything you need to fend off gankers and bumpers right there, but most miners are too lazy for that.

The Skiff is the mining vessel New Eden deserves, but not the one that is wanted right now.

This man understands

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You are doing it right

You can fit for max yield and a strong t2 tank. Nopatience never said MAX tank.

It does have the slots to fit everything at once, and the CPU. It can run a full T2 active tank while fitted for max mining yield. No other barge can do this