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High Sec Care Newb Bears Vs 0.0 Old Schoolers/Soldiers arguments

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Jaime Wulfe
30O.
Fraternity.
#1 - 2011-11-17 21:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaime Wulfe
I read a forum post recently where a newer player (oddly was in a Mac mining ice) complained that the Goons had threatened her/him/it to stop mining ice or be destroyed... well no issues here, but it got me thinking about the new/old high/null arguments that abounds of late.

I am not proposing hearts and flowers... I ask for no commitments or promises and expect to get flamed to death for saying the following.

If those of you in highsec want to be left alone, why play a multiplayer game? It seems a bit odd, to be missing common sense, when you can buy an old copy of homeworld and get practically the same graphics and never get ganked, never have to interact, never have to do anything but win. It seems so strange to diverge your course from single player games and not your thinking... when you join a game like EVE, that you must have presumed that its not about missions or mining, or winning, its about camaraderie and fellowship, and war stories made real by the people who flew them, even if its just internet spaceships.

At the same time the Elite few, those old schoolers who have unlimited resources and huge alliances backing them, seem to forget they were once the ostracized carbears that other older players scoffed at. You relish the power and influence but you forget that there are players who do want to join you in 0.0 but cant get in, because of skill points or whatever, alot of corps and alliance say "We'll train/teach you", and then the app gets declined for whatever reason (said it before and I'll say it again, these decisions are based on experience and profit/loss perspective of the interviewer as they should be).

The goal needs to be that we remember that behind each toon is an eager player, who wants to come be a part of something, to his own ends and with his own means. Yes we love war and ganking and piracy, but take a moment the next time you see a newb at a gate, trapped in a bubble and after you pop his ship, think to offer him a chance to earn it back by flying for YOU. And newbs remember that you are never scorned or scoffed at for fighting, but hiding out, and not willing to be a part of the big picture, will label you a carebear or worse.

I'm not a goon, but I always liked the tag, "no not believing in yourself." and to me that's what EVE really has been, a lesson in human strength of will, sense of adventure, and occasionally, abject humility.

Note.. I think what I'm trying to say is the old vets need to set a bar high enough, but not so far out of reach for the new players to achieve... and the new players need, and learn to accept, encouragement, not through game mechanics, but interactions to get out and really join the fun.

Grain of salt, thanks for reading
Jaime
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-19 15:32:33 UTC
TL;DR

We were all noobs once. Cut the little guy some slack when you gank him.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2011-11-19 17:41:37 UTC
"Toon"What?

Most "Old Schoolers" as you put it, have no issue with the n00bs. The problem lies in the n00b's attitude.

As for my self, I have no issues having a rifter hero in the ranks. Actually, I will take a rifter hero who can barely fit a point with a decent attitude, over some ****** with a character bazzar cap pilot waving around some sort of emo raging entitlement.

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-19 17:49:36 UTC
Eager rifter newbies are awesome, especially when they gush about how they tackled that guy. It's so kawaii.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#5 - 2011-11-19 18:46:08 UTC
Assembly hall is for proposals. This is not a proposal.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-11-19 18:56:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephiroth Clone VII
People in highsec are as about rich as those in nullsec or richer. If you ignore the many trial accounts and noobs.

level 4s are not bad for income, and add to that many run them in billion isk faction fitted ships for max speed.

Add incursions, market and research, factory PI..... highsec is THE hub of money and goods.

Each has advantages and disadvantages, but highsec is not a ghetto. If you don't know how to make isk, that makes you a noob but that doesn't mean a lack of opportunity exist for skilled players in highsec.

Moons, do basically print a bunch of gold, but they are alliance assets by default and all of the isk made is used by ship replacement programs and sov holding, so it is more of a break even for alliances that does not make much of any alliance members richer.

The lack of knowledge about the situation of the topic starter, makes me question if these assumptions and 'ideas' have the feintist merit.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-19 19:13:13 UTC
Jaime Wulfe wrote:
The goal needs to be that we remember that behind each toon is an eager player, who wants to come be a part of something, to his own ends and with his own means.


The problem is, that behind some of them are spies from enemy alliances who want to get insider information and/or directly attack our people. And the only effective method to prevent it that has been found so far, is to sacrifice the eager nobodies for the sake of integrity of our alliance.