Ships & Modules

No refunds for ignorance!

Compare the strength of the bonus to that of any other non-guristas ship.

it`s junk 20 bandwith really!!! if ccp was trying to turn a good ship into usless junk they succeeded!!!

They ****** it.

It should have 25 bandwidth so it's not nerfed with the light drones.

I hope the new pirate ships are good because they ruined all my years of Gurista training.

Back to the Domnix we go.
Rattlesnake losing 1/3 of it's max damage with meds an lights for one more missile launcher with bonus was not worth it at all.
(( Losing an auxilary slot for a drone nerf on top of it. ))

Best drone ships in game can't field smaller drones for **** anymore.
No longer useful as neut/sniping ships any more either.

Good patch to take up industry if you were a Gurrista pilot I guess.

The Gila's damage is just wishful thinking, since you have to wait for the medium drones to get to where they're going.

The rattlesnake indeed got a great buff on paper, but in practice it's kind of disappointing/difficult to use.

All that is true and everyone says it's a buff.

You left out a couple things.

The old bonus was to lights and mediums 10% per level for dps and health.

That bonus is gone and so is the 50% extra damage that came with it for lights and medium drones.

You also have the factor of when a drone is targeted and you have to pull it in and then relaunch it you lose half of your drone DPS instead of the 20% from before.

Add those to the high slot going to a missile launcher so one less utility. (( Many used this to feed cap to the previously awsome tank )) or less range for your drones.

Also lost range with the missiles.

That max DPS buff came at a huge cost to everything else.

I'm not the least bit sold on the changes.

Gila can't send out an entire flight of light drones anymore either.
It doesn't mean much as you'd rather have the 10x medium drone DPS value until you run into something like an interceptor.
No more sentries either.

The versatility of the Gurista ships just died. Now they are just another spank and tank.

Having only 2 drones in space is also less fun and looks lame.

I hope the new pirate faction is worth a crap and gets to a good price point so years of training don't just go in the trash on the missile side.

Back to Dominix and Vexor we all go! (( Unless you can't stomach it again and head off to do industry ))
Prices will tumble after the people just testing out the ships get sick of them.

You also didn't factor in flight times at all.
My gila already did more paper DPS than that and could drop it instantly.

Nerf is nerf even if the paper jockies can't see it.

The Gila is a beast now, plain and simple. I made a fit on EFT with max skills tthat nets nearly 1k dps. 1k dps on a cruiser. That's not insane at all, right? I mean, there's a ton of 1k dps Vexors out there.

Edit: It's a completely different playstile from the lame ishtar replica it used to be. If you want to preserve the "orbit sentry with repper and passive tank" playstyle, go fly an ishtar.

My previous Gila fits got 999 with no D/C (( PVE only fit ))

920 with D/C.

But now it can't use lights half as well when dealing with fast frigs.

Sentry Gila is gone which is probly the worst part of it.

Having better drones such as the mediums which are now faster is great but that helps every ship in game that can use them.

Gila compared to other ships of it's class got a nerf.



One big factor left out of earlier talk was the missile bonus changes.

You are now way more likely to shoot a volley at a target that is already dead or will be from the drones before the missiles get to the target. That is a lot of lost DPS! (( Due to slower missiles! ))
This same factor also made Torps even worse! Not like anyone uses them but damn that is a step in the wrong dirrection.

The rattlesnakes sentries and heavies can now take more damage but that aspect on the heavies is lost when you figure in flight times again and that old buff had some of that health advantage already there.

The big problem with Gila and Worm is there goes your full stack of ECM drones. (( Another over all nerf! Are they ******* kidding? ))


I've been Gurrista pilot for about 4 years now. All related skills trained to 5 for over a year now.
When you add it up on paper it's a nerf. When you use in game it's a nerf.
I'm looking at what else to even bother flying at this point.

I own a lot of these ships. Atleast 4 of each Gurrista ship fitted and stacks of replacements.
It's not in my best interest to talk **** on them because the higher prices are good for me but that bit of extra isk is hardly worth keeping my mouth shut about a stealth nerf.

The buff are these:

RS gets 171 more DPS with Garde 2's with max skills as long as all drones are out of ship and not having any effect on missile over vollies. You get another launcher to add more DPS v.s. large ships.166 extra DPS if the ships are kin/therm based. (( Side bonus if you have missile dps implants! ))

Worm gets DPS bonus. Finally because they have been gathering dust since the AF buffs came out.

Gila has slight DPS buff v.s. other cruisers that fight short range.


The RS will probly be more loved now because most pilots missed the awsomeness it offered before and spank and tank is always loved by a vast majority of players.

Gila pilots are in for a rude awakening. It's pretty much pure nerf due to loss of sentries but atleast the drones have more health and are faster to not make it too painful.

Worm got some love on the DPS side.




It's a very sad day for Gurrista pilots. The rest of the community that never flew them before might get up to speed in about 2 weeks.

Although 2 of the last 3 updates gave Gurrista ships huge buffs and they have been way over powered until now. (( Drone omni was the one that first started the nerfs on them ))

Some people have to fly their entire ships over to the bad guys to start doing DPS, and most of them don't go 5km/sec.

i believe the changes to gila were deliberately made so it wasn't another ishtar playstyle. i think i read it somewhere in the devblog