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Encountering a Bubble
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Idris Maelfa
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#1 - 2014-06-03 19:03:22 UTC
Today leaving NullSec (N-RAEL to Konora) I encountered what can only be a bubble, though I have never met one before.

I ordered a jump from in-system and rather than going through I was held fast and then blatted by someone on the gate. I couldn't even move my capsule out.

Okay, fair enough, I met a bubble or at least what I think was one.

So, some questions if the board doesn't mind.

1. Was this actually a bubble?
2. If so, what exactly is it and what causes it?
3. Leaving a system with a bubble what's the drill to get out or avoid, if any?
4. Entering a sysem with a bubble; what to do then?

Any assistance would be gratefully received as I have just had my first wander around Null brought to a sudden end in a manner that I hadn't expected.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#2 - 2014-06-03 19:17:42 UTC  |  Edited by: SmokinJs Arthie
1. A Bubble is basically an area of effect warp scramble with infinite warp scramble strength. i.e. no matter how many warp core stabs you have if you are within a bubble you will be unable to warp.
2. 2 things, deployable structures, mobile warp disruptors. Or ships, T2 destroyers called interdictors (dics) and T2 cruisers called Heavy Interdictors (HICs).
3. Warp to a celestial or a off grid pounce near your outbound gate, use your dscan to see if there are any ships/mobile warp disruptors. I would just make sure never to warp directly from 1 gate to another if there are neutrals in system. It is a good idea to setup safes if it is a route you use frequently.
4. It depends if there are targets right next to you when you jump into system and are already inside a bubble. If there are targets right there you can 1) see if you can burn back to the gate and jump out or 2) if you think you can burn outside of the range of the bubble then warp to a safe or a celestial in system, a planet/sun/asteroid belt/safe. If no one is there just burn outside the range of the bubble and warp away.

FYI T3 cruisers with the interdiction nullifier subsystem and interceptors are immune to bubbles.
Idris Maelfa
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#3 - 2014-06-03 19:27:25 UTC
Ah, thanks. I have seen no end of these Mobile Warp Disrupters when I D-Scan in every system.

So, I guess that they are massive devices that someone comes along and switches on catching ships like flies in a spider's web.

If I see these do I assume that they are on or just idle waiting and can they be destroyed? And I guess if I see someone standing at the gate then it's a fair bet he's going to turn the switch, is that right?

I need to reconsider all this as I was hooked and gutted in moments after a good spell in Null.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#4 - 2014-06-03 19:37:15 UTC
Yes, the are to keep ships from reaching their warp destination. What someone does with the mobile warp disruptors is anchors it and it is online until they pick it back up or someone else destroys it.
Idris Maelfa
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#5 - 2014-06-03 20:32:57 UTC
Thanks. I can see a few of these getting dismantled when I get my new rig back down to Nul.

So if they are always on and no-one is there then no harm done; it's when the trap is set and the spider is waiting...
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#6 - 2014-06-03 20:44:54 UTC
Just be careful, I'm pretty sure you will get an aggression timer if you attack the mobile warp disruptors. So if you attack one near a gate then someone comes into your system and get tackle you will be unable to jump through the gate until your timer is done.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2014-06-04 17:33:44 UTC
OP is doing it right. Got caught in a bubble and instead of crying about how unfair it is, went and asked what happened and what can he do about it.

The info given is spot-on. But I want to add one or two other bits of info.

Interdictors (DIC), the destroyer-sized ships, launch Warp Interdiction Probes that remain motionless and expire after 2 minutes. These can be seen on your overview and directional scanner. While they cannot be targeted, they can be destroyed by smartbombs.

Heavy Interdictors (HIC), the cruiser-sized ship, have an active module that generates a warp disruption field. It can also be scripted to focus its energy on a single ship. If you get tackled by a focused-point HIC, no amount of warp core stabilizers will help you escape. Most of the time you will see the smaller DIC instead of HIC.

Besides preventing you from warping out of its area of effect, bubbles will also stop you short or pull you further if it is directly in-line with your path of travel at the destination. This is why having an off-angle bookmark on-grid (typically a gate) is a good thing to have. But you can also use a nearby celestial object.

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Idris Maelfa
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#8 - 2014-06-04 18:16:10 UTC
Thanks for the feedback. I think that I am far, far too old to cry about anything with, perhaps, the exception of rheumatic and arthritic pains.

I've decided to try Null to see what it's all about. I am in a cheap ship, I have lost my implants many clones ago so, why not?

I don't know what I will see there but that's the whole point of going to have a look isn't it?

Anyway, thanks for the information. It's all new stuff to me this and I think that I am going to enjoy wandering around. Not sure yet how one makes money in this vast wilderness of space but I am sure that I may find an angle one day.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#9 - 2014-06-05 14:58:45 UTC
Idris Maelfa wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I think that I am far, far too old to cry about anything with, perhaps, the exception of rheumatic and arthritic pains.

I've decided to try Null to see what it's all about. I am in a cheap ship, I have lost my implants many clones ago so, why not?

I don't know what I will see there but that's the whole point of going to have a look isn't it?

Anyway, thanks for the information. It's all new stuff to me this and I think that I am going to enjoy wandering around. Not sure yet how one makes money in this vast wilderness of space but I am sure that I may find an angle one day.


At some point, we were all new. This sounds surprisingly like my first forays into null. +1 for the positive outlook.

The best fun I ever had in null was as a 'dictor pilot while in an alliance. My job was to drop bubbles, and kill pods. I named my Sabre iPod. Twisted

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snake03
#10 - 2014-06-15 05:28:44 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Idris Maelfa wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I think that I am far, far too old to cry about anything with, perhaps, the exception of rheumatic and arthritic pains.

I've decided to try Null to see what it's all about. I am in a cheap ship, I have lost my implants many clones ago so, why not?

I don't know what I will see there but that's the whole point of going to have a look isn't it?

Anyway, thanks for the information. It's all new stuff to me this and I think that I am going to enjoy wandering around. Not sure yet how one makes money in this vast wilderness of space but I am sure that I may find an angle one day.


At some point, we were all new. This sounds surprisingly like my first forays into null. +1 for the positive outlook.

The best fun I ever had in null was as a 'dictor pilot while in an alliance. My job was to drop bubbles, and kill pods. I named my Sabre iPod. Twisted



OP, just to add, if you really want to avoid bubbles all together, you can fly an interceptor or a T3 ship fit with an interdiction nullifier susbsystem.

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