Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The people who get ganked with overstuffed haulers are the same people that skip the tutorials anyway.

Wrong. My only time I was a victim of SG I was autopiloting frigate with frac module through hisec space. I've done all the tutorials, and even read guides and forums occasionally. It was around a half of year of my active sub, and I still hadn't been informed about possibility of such thing, despite being a member of nullsec corp. No one ever mentioned it, for some reason.

Disagree entirely.

The tutorials do a terrible job explaining the risks of being suicide ganked, and mention little to nothing of traps, baiting and scams. There is little to no indication of any sort of metagaming in them. It simply shows you basic game mechanics and prepares you at best to lose a couple more in NPC missions as you get the hang of things. A simulation of the player experience in EVE is what should be largely represented in the tutorials.

There are many players who do not know what EVE is all about before they play as well. Yes, many read all the stories before they dive in. Many others simply see a space MMO and think "what the hell". Someone with a wife, a job and some other major hobbies is only going to have limited time with the game. They will spend most of this time reading up on game mechanics and how to do things. There introduction to the metagaming will come 3 months in when they lose 40% of their assets in a T1 hauler thinking someone exploited the game against them. Not to mention, by introducing this into the tutorial you introduce players to the prospect of being gankers as well.

If you don't think it would make a difference anyways, why even have a tutorial then? Maybe we should get CCP to just tell new players to use Google. There was a speech at Fanfest for the New Player Experience, and they specifically stated they wanted to adapt the tutorial to represent the true nature of EVE closely. Under that guise Gevlon's idea fits in perfectly.

I'll add a small story to this post to represent why this idea is "important" to me as well.

As I sit here today I am nearly 2 years old and I consider myself to be a pretty decent pilot. I'm not the greatest PVPer but I have learned the ropes of hauling, sneaking around, scouting and all that kind of logistical stuff. I have never lost a ship when not purposely PVPing, since my first PVE ship in my first month, and I routinely enter all sorts of space and haul around several billions in goods. In my opinion I am now borderline ungankable & uncatchable, only not so when I purposely choose to be lazy. I am sure you are too (if not you're not good at EVE ).

I don't say this to boast, I say this because none of this was true for my first six months. I could have lost several more ships, with ridiculous amounts of assets. Early on enough I would have even thought it was an exploit! With luck I pushed through those stages of ignorance and once I got past needing to learn the more basic game mechanics, I began reading about metagaming and of course blogs like minerbumping. So began my journey into learning how to EVE.

I do wonder how that journey could have gone if I lost some of those poorly tanked T1 industrials with more than half my assets inside. Or my cargo fitted Orca I spent 80% of my assets at the time on. I don't think I would have quit, but man would I have wished that there was some way for CCP to inform me this was possible and preventable.

Actually it's not a bad idea. A piracy career mission arc could teach people who to canflip, steal from missions and yes, suicide gank. This would not only open these professions but also warn them of their existence.

Piracy career agents might be interesting... I think thukker is the only high sec npc pirate corp... Could be wrong though

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It would be nice to have the tutorial teach the newbros about the griefers main tactics..

Well you weren't in an overstuffed hauler so...? However auto piloting with faction stuff on a frigate hull is awfully silly.

When I was a noob I looted a meta 4 web, which was worth more ISK than I had ever seen at the time. I thought I would be clever and fit to my shiny new Arbitrator and surprise someone with it in lowsec. To my surprise the gate guns did a lot of DPS and I couldn't jump back to hi sec once I had fired on some random guy on the low sec side of the gate. I like to think of it as my first ganking experience. Even if all I did was get myself ganked by the gate guns.

Don't try to derail the thread into a flamewar about nerfing suicide ganking. It is a mechanic now, if you don't like it, go to one of the thousands of topic discussing it! This topic is about teaching players how to deal with it.