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daisy chaining free trial accounts

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Carol Nits
Interstellar Intelligence Authority
Lollipops.
#41 - 2014-06-04 15:01:19 UTC
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

i want to play around with roles a bit before i sub, i dont think 14 days is enough at this point.

Fair point IMHO.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-06-04 15:07:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Carol Nits wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

i want to play around with roles a bit before i sub, i dont think 14 days is enough at this point.

Fair point IMHO.


Really? Go back and read the very first post.

If that were truly his concern, it seems unlikely that his primary question would be in regard to how to transfer isk between trials until such a time as he can accrue enough for a PLEX. He would make a trial, try some things and, when it expired, make a new trial, start over, and try some different things.

You could probably forgive someone for wanting to try a few different things across a few trials, but when they are so blatantly trying to make an end-run around the intentional limitations of trial accounts, it becomes pretty ******* obvious that they're simply grasping for a socially acceptable excuse for their exploitative behavior.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Carol Nits
Interstellar Intelligence Authority
Lollipops.
#43 - 2014-06-04 15:26:30 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Carol Nits wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

i want to play around with roles a bit before i sub, i dont think 14 days is enough at this point.

Fair point IMHO.


Really? Go back and read the very first post.

If that were truly his concern, it seems unlikely that his primary question would be in regard to how to transfer isk between trials until such a time as he can accrue enough for a PLEX. He would make a trial, try some things and, when it expired, make a new trial, start over, and try some different things.

You could probably forgive someone for wanting to try a few different things across a few trials, but when they are so blatantly trying to make an end-run around the intentional limitations of trial accounts, it becomes pretty ******* obvious that they're simply grasping for a socially acceptable excuse for their exploitative behavior.

...because exploitative behavior is SO uncommon in EVE. Here's a reality check: whatever OP does or does not do to buy a PLEX will hardly affect the economy or anything else for that matter. If he ends up saving up and buying a PLEX, all the better, we can welcome a newbro.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-06-04 15:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Carol Nits wrote:

...because exploitative behavior is SO uncommon in EVE.



I am continually amazed by how few of you are incapable of distinguishing "in game" from "reality".

This isn't a player doing something exploitative in-game, it's an actual person exploiting an offer made by an actual business. Dude's a parasite.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#45 - 2014-06-05 12:15:12 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Not really. I doubt most players get overly involved in market trading within their first two weeks. The laundry list of skills that can't be trained on a trial account used to be substantially shorter. People like you are the reason it's as long as it is now.


No, full time players who wanted to skip paying for a second account are the reason the list is longer.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#46 - 2014-06-05 12:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Maeltstome
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Carol Nits wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
acacyan dumbledore wrote:

that's the reason i do this, to get a feel for the game.


Explain how one two-week trial was inadequate for that.

i want to play around with roles a bit before i sub, i dont think 14 days is enough at this point.

Fair point IMHO.


Really? Go back and read the very first post.

If that were truly his concern, it seems unlikely that his primary question would be in regard to how to transfer isk between trials until such a time as he can accrue enough for a PLEX. He would make a trial, try some things and, when it expired, make a new trial, start over, and try some different things.

You could probably forgive someone for wanting to try a few different things across a few trials, but when they are so blatantly trying to make an end-run around the intentional limitations of trial accounts, it becomes pretty ******* obvious that they're simply grasping for a socially acceptable excuse for their exploitative behavior.


His objective is to get a plex to activate his account. Without people who refuse to pay real money and insist on using plex for game time, a vast number of players would lose their income via CCP's Cash4ISK system

The amount of cash being earned is arbitrary, 2 days of Anoms will earn me close to a billion ISK if i don't mess around, spending multiple 14 day trials playing the market for petty cash only invogorates small time traders and does nothing to take away from the game.

I'd happily have non-subscribed accounts be playable with restrictions to prevent full useability (skill training, certain trading etc) if it meant more people to keep Eve alive and well. The fact i pay every month for a subscription means little to nothing in terms of REAL MONEY. I want to play the game against other people.

If Eve became F2P i'd be totally cool with that too, because all it does is open up the game to lots of new players to shoot at. Preventing multiple accounts of any type (e.g. not just trial accounts) being run from the same IP/MAC Address (Or logged in within 2/3 hours of each other to prevent account swapping) unless you PLEX would prevent most multiboxing abuse (e.g. running 10 miners and devaluing isk prices).

We're nearly 2 Decades into the Pay-2-Play game model. Valve have nailed it with DOTA2: F2P, Stimulated player market, incentives to play and spend cash... paying £10 a month doesn't make me a better person than someone who can't afford to. I'd rather spend £10 a month getting isk that represents 20hours of work from a full time farmer through a plex trade - allowing them to plex one of their multiple accounts to continue farming and stimulating the market.

TL; DR

Dry your eyes. Paying £10 a month towards Eve doesn't make you a better person than someone who doesn't.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-06-11 22:23:29 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

Dry your eyes. Paying £10 a month towards Eve doesn't make you a better person than someone who doesn't.


Really? I'd generally classify people who pay for goods as services as objectively better than people who steal goods and services. This isn't about subscribing Vs. plexing, it's about indefinitely exploiting trial accounts Vs. Subscribing OR plexing. It doesn't matter that he claims that he will eventually buy a plex. In the mean time, he's a parasitic mooch and should be excised like a tumor.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Akuro Ben Monk
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-06-12 07:27:36 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
who steal goods and services. This isn't about subscribing Vs. plexing, it's about indefinitely exploiting trial accounts Vs. Subscribing OR plexing. It doesn't matter that he claims that he will eventually buy a plex. In the mean time, he's a parasitic mooch and should be excised like a tumor.


Please can someone explain this idiot in plain and simple english, that PLEX is not generated, but payed by someone. So players, who create game content and play for free are not less usefull or parasitic as those, who pay their playtime month after month with real money. Cause at the end CCP get their money this way or another.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#49 - 2014-06-12 07:45:15 UTC
Akuro Ben Monk wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
who steal goods and services. This isn't about subscribing Vs. plexing, it's about indefinitely exploiting trial accounts Vs. Subscribing OR plexing. It doesn't matter that he claims that he will eventually buy a plex. In the mean time, he's a parasitic mooch and should be excised like a tumor.


Please can someone explain this idiot in plain and simple english, that PLEX is not generated, but payed by someone. So players, who create game content and play for free are not less usefull or parasitic as those, who pay their playtime month after month with real money. Cause at the end CCP get their money this way or another.


"The idiot" wasn't trying to claim that PLEX are free. He was simply stating that the issue here is about a "player" playing the trial account system for the purpose of playing the game without paying for it somehow.

I'll echo the statement of the last sentence: In the mean time, he's a parasitic mooch and should be excised like a tumor.

If the OP is interested, check the Buddy Invite thread at the top of this forum. the 21 days you have will be enough to raise the ISK for a PLEX if you dedicate your game time to exploration in lowsec. Do the Exploration tutorial series, then just head out to low sec and start exploring. Make sure you get back to stations to offload goods before you find yourself carrying 2B ISK worth of stuff in a 10M ISK frigate though ;)
Olivier Aubertin
Interstellar Shipments
#50 - 2014-06-12 10:47:15 UTC
Akuro Ben Monk wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
who steal goods and services. This isn't about subscribing Vs. plexing, it's about indefinitely exploiting trial accounts Vs. Subscribing OR plexing. It doesn't matter that he claims that he will eventually buy a plex. In the mean time, he's a parasitic mooch and should be excised like a tumor.


Please can someone explain this idiot in plain and simple english, that PLEX is not generated, but payed by someone. So players, who create game content and play for free are not less usefull or parasitic as those, who pay their playtime month after month with real money. Cause at the end CCP get their money this way or another.


Funny you should mention "idiot" and "simple English" as you completely and utterly missed the point. The reply above explained the why and how.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-06-12 10:53:49 UTC
You can do that but all standard trading options are out of reach for trial accounts. The easiest way is to probably just dump all your stuff in a can at some empty system then come pick it up with another account.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#52 - 2014-06-12 21:57:37 UTC
PM me in game for a 21-day trial code. When you upgrade to the paid account, your account is activated for +30 days (for example, if you upgraded on the first day of the 21-day trial, you get 51 days of game time). When you upgrade I'll also just give you the PLEX (if you use a valid payment method) which'll give you 81 days of game time for the cost of 1.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#53 - 2014-06-12 22:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
As far as I am aware CCP frowns upon using trial accounts for anything other then trying out the game. Daisy chaining them is continuing to play, not trying it out.

On that note, being frowned upon like stated above might not seem to be much of a problem. However, that is until you get frowned upon by a GM that happens to be a N-th generation shark eating Viking, perfectly accustomed to living on a frozen volcanic rock pocked with several (semi)active volcanoes and surrounded by a harsh and rather large ocean.

In other words, I would strongly advice you not to daisy chain trial accounts.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#54 - 2014-06-13 04:25:32 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
a N-th generation shark eating Viking, .


Sounds like a recipe for colitis and/or IBS to me. I advice not eating n-th generation sharks.
Marc Durant
#55 - 2014-06-13 08:17:43 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
a N-th generation shark eating Viking, .


Sounds like a recipe for colitis and/or IBS to me. I advice not eating n-th generation sharks.


He referred to said Viking being N-th generation.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.

Oraac Ensor
#56 - 2014-06-13 11:21:30 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
a N-th generation shark eating Viking, .


Sounds like a recipe for colitis and/or IBS to me. I advice not eating n-th generation sharks.


He referred to said Viking being N-th generation.

No, that would have needed a hyphen ("shark-eating").
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#57 - 2014-06-13 11:39:41 UTC
I may have made a small grammatical mistake, but I indeed meant the Viking. Lets keep this thread on topic now shall we?

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-06-13 16:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaxix
There is so much bad information in this thread.

Yes, you can totally do it, and it's really easy. Start Trial A, train Corporation Management 1. Found corporation. Route all ISK and assets to the corp. Near the end of Trail A, start Trial B. Apply B to your corp. Accept. Set CEO to B. Repeat.

Also, unless something has changed very recently, you can have two trial accounts on simultaneously from the same IP address. You just can't have them on the same machine.

edit: I'll leave the ethics discussion to others. It is highly unlikely you'll ever be banned for this practice. However, your abilities and opportunities are really dictated by your skills and you just can't train enough to do anything substantive during a trial. However, CCP continues to show favoritism to Markee Dragon by allowing him to offer 30-day trials. So do that instead of 14-day trials and avoid "over chaining" while simultaneously getting better skills towards the end of your trial period.

Protip: do not do this with criminal sec status characters. That WILL get you banned.

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Oraac Ensor
#59 - 2014-06-14 01:46:43 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
I may have made a small grammatical mistake, but I indeed meant the Viking. Lets keep this thread on topic now shall we?

I think we all know what you meant, but it would be a shame if this forum became an enforced humour-free zone.
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