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So EVE is becoming just a rental universe now is it?

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Raphael Ordo
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#241 - 2014-06-14 15:12:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raphael Ordo wrote:


In a better world where people share everything.. yeah maybe. But this is New Eden.

Commie.

Why dont you go join the Goons if you.. uhm love...extreme socialism... er .. so much.....

Hang on....


Reread my post. You gravely misunderstood me.

Also, I am loyal to the Amarr Empire.
For the dictatorship of the Empress!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#242 - 2014-06-14 15:16:09 UTC
Raphael Ordo wrote:

Also, I am loyal to the Amarr Empire.
For the dictatorship of the Empress!


DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR
VICTORY OMIR SARIKUSA (Peace Be Upon Him)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#243 - 2014-06-14 16:24:55 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


Well, yes, null is basically ruined for any independent alliance that wants to get into it. There is a possibility that the sov changes over the next year or so will fix this, but I think that is extremely unlikely. Rather the sov changes are more likely to be tweaks and improvements to the game that support the existing system better. For instance, coalitions may be created as a game mechanic or inter-alliance interaction tools created (effectively creating coalitions as a game mechanic), and as an example a part of that 'fix' an official game mechanic rental system is likely to be created. So sov mechanics updates are likely to have exactly the opposite effect to what you want.

However, I do believe your salvation may just be in these new star gates that will be coming out in a year or thereafter. Basically, the big kids have ruined the sandbox. The kindergardeners have to give their lunch money to the middle schoolers to play in the sandbox. So the kindergardeners need a new sandbox. Hopefully, the player built star gates actually create new space for new player groups. If it turns out that the player star gates end up being something only the goons can make and that they lead to another place where only the goons can have fun, I'll consider quitting eve. Or I will just face the fact that Eve is basically a goon machine and become a goon. But until the day of that fateful decision I am holding out for the player built star gates to open new fields for smaller groups.

Before that point, yeah, if you're a small corp that wants to play in null, you have to shell out a few billion a month to do it, and this will make sure that the sandbox bully currently in power stays in power, and the donut will have 2-3 colors forever after. That's just the way it is going to be, at the very least for the next year or two.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#244 - 2014-06-14 16:36:23 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


Wait, hold up. Are you saying that, in a sandbox, where things are hands off from the developers (except for updates to the game and such), leaving the economy and player interaction to the players, that the developer should come swoop in and say "No, no, no, you can't do that because it's not FAIR."? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Suck it up Snowflake, if you want to change it, do something about it or quit your whining.

Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#245 - 2014-06-14 16:40:31 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:

Wait, hold up. Are you saying that, in a sandbox, where things are hands off from the developers (except for updates to the game and such), leaving the economy and player interaction to the players, that the developer should come swoop in and say "No, no, no, you can't do that because it's not FAIR."? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Suck it up Snowflake, if you want to change it, do something about it or quit your whining.

Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


+1 to that pilot

Just remember; in real life the ones who stamp their feet and cry and say its not fair are usually the ones who are already so rich and well placed they dont need to work at all but their greed makes them squeeze those of us beneath them.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Baron Chauman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2014-06-14 16:59:07 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you.


Funny, one of the things I love is that I can steal and blow up the property of people like yourself with no more than a slight penalty to my sec status depending on region.

Space socialism forever! Down with the oligarchic elitist renter empires of N3!
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#247 - 2014-06-14 19:13:08 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


Wait, hold up. Are you saying that, in a sandbox, where things are hands off from the developers (except for updates to the game and such), leaving the economy and player interaction to the players, that the developer should come swoop in and say "No, no, no, you can't do that because it's not FAIR."? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Suck it up Snowflake, if you want to change it, do something about it or quit your whining.

Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


Total lunacy. Can't even bring myself to comment.
Klatu Satori
Shadows of the Black
#248 - 2014-06-14 19:16:10 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
I dont know about you guys, but this really worries me.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

The entire south has become just rental, hundreds and hundreds of systems. Is it just me that sees something fundamentally wrong here?

I dont disagree with renting a few systems out you own, but literally taking over regions purely to rent is another thing. This surely goes against what eve is about? Coalitions just having to do absolute minimum effort to hold these regions, dont even have to live in them! But its only the huge amount of supers and titans that stops anyone else even having a slight chance. Trillions and trillions of isk, and it will only get worse as the more money the more supers and titans etc etc.

Will CCP ever do anything about this? Is it too late to? is eve heading in the wrong direction. Personally i think something needs to change but i think its too late and eve is heading for a disaster.

troll away or not Big smile


Wait, hold up. Are you saying that, in a sandbox, where things are hands off from the developers (except for updates to the game and such), leaving the economy and player interaction to the players, that the developer should come swoop in and say "No, no, no, you can't do that because it's not FAIR."? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Suck it up Snowflake, if you want to change it, do something about it or quit your whining.

Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


You don't seem to understand that game mechanics affect what players can and can't do in a game.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#249 - 2014-06-16 23:05:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Gorinia Sanford wrote:

Wait, hold up. Are you saying that, in a sandbox, where things are hands off from the developers (except for updates to the game and such), leaving the economy and player interaction to the players, that the developer should come swoop in and say "No, no, no, you can't do that because it's not FAIR."? I'm sorry, did I miss something here? Suck it up Snowflake, if you want to change it, do something about it or quit your whining.

Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


+1 to that pilot

Just remember; in real life the ones who stamp their feet and cry and say its not fair are usually the ones who are already so rich and well placed they dont need to work at all but their greed makes them squeeze those of us beneath them.


1 word: Technetium

In dominion new sandbox rules were implemented which favours only a select group.
Coincedently they also had developers and advisors (CSM) from the benifiting side working on the said desighn and implenmentation of these rules.
There were testserver warnings ect that the new moongoo sandbox system changes were even worse than the system they tried to improve.
It got ignored for 3 years, funded the current 2 nullsec blocs with soo much isk that it resulted in the current situation.
And than suddanly after 3 years "yeah woops it was really bad game desighn".

How about cleaning up your mess first instead of letting the players do it for the next 2-3 years resulting in less fun content. The players pay etherway now the price of incompetence. (Altough it got alot better now... keep up the good work CCP!)

I understand that this ofc get trolled away with personal attacks by the current alts from "powers that be" based on no content at all.

To Ramona; trolling is fun i know :); can you also troll me in a languish other than your native one?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#250 - 2014-06-16 23:43:42 UTC
Raphael Ordo wrote:

Uhm.. No..


You need to head back to the hardware line Comrade, and see if they will issue you a new sarcasm detector.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#251 - 2014-06-17 09:21:42 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:


To Ramona; trolling is fun i know :); can you also troll me in a languish other than your native one?


I don't troll, I speak my mind. If you get upset by someone disagreeing with you, I'm afraid that's your problem, not me attacking you.

I think "language" is the word you are looking for.

What was your point again, sorry, I missed it.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

embrel
BamBam Inc.
#252 - 2014-06-17 09:33:52 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:


Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


I don't know a single western country where you can get wealthy by state handouts.

On closer inspection I notice that's not true. It is possible to get wealthy by national giveaways if you're already wealthy enough to influence political decisions to your gusto.

People that are getting ahead in life usually don't care much what others get or don't get as they are too f******* busy with getting ahead. They usually also don't frequent these forums as a rule of thumb.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#253 - 2014-06-17 09:48:41 UTC
embrel wrote:
Gorinia Sanford wrote:


Good Lord, one of the things I LOVE about this game is that you have to EARN your wealth and property, not have it handed to you. What a shame most western countries (including my own) don't subscribe to this and cater to the losers who are too damn lazy to work and get ahead in life. Then again, from what I've seen, games seem to mirror life in some respects, why am I surprised?


I don't know a single western country where you can get wealthy by state handouts.



Then you need to know Brazil... In fact almost every one that is wealthy or rich did it that way here.


"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Pine Marten
Doomheim
#254 - 2014-06-17 09:50:13 UTC
The 1% have more wealth than the other 99%. Real life and in EvE. Who makes the rules? The ones with the most wealth. Once again, same in RL and in EvE.

Does it suck? Yea. I think everyone would have been used to it by now since they have lived their whole lives out of game by the 1%'s rules. Dont wan't to live by the 1%'s rules? Stay out of 0.0 space completely. Does not give you many other option's really. Lowsec and NPC 0.0 suck equally as bad due to docking games.

Only other choice you have is stay in high-sec and mission grind until your eyes bleed and you can recite mission text by heart word for word just by seeing the mission title.

I forgot about incursions, you can make pretty good isk there.

Lastly, you can try wormholes. They have always intrigued me but I just can't bring myself to even login anymore. Personally, I think I will join a wormhole corporation in a couple months. Not a class 6 but something smaller. Just to get a feel of things.

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#255 - 2014-06-17 16:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Well, yes, null is basically ruined for any independent alliance that wants to get into it. There is a possibility that the sov changes over the next year or so will fix this, but I think that is extremely unlikely.

People have said this since the beginning of sov in EvE, and it remains as short-sighted now as it was then.
People take the wrong lesson from GSF's history; you stop at seeing us as the unstoppable super power, but don't go back far enough to realise that goons of old got us got there by fighting an uphill battle against the unstoppable super power. If you think super-caps are an upbeatable ace now, consider that they have been hell-nerfed a half dozen times, and were so rare that only the unstoppable super power had them at all.

But apparently this can't be done again, and "waaa waaa CCP", etc.

You might also want to note that hero run contrary to your suggestion no one can do it.

e: not to say sov doesn't have a lot of issues, but nothing proposed ITT is a solution.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2014-06-17 18:53:23 UTC
If people want to pay to shortcut the hard part of sov holding then thats their decision. Thats also the reason these alliances have trillions and stockpiles. Because people want to shortcut.

Persuade renters that theres a better way and you'll stop the powerblocs.


Ofc this won't happen. It is what it is.