EVE General Discussion

Um. *looks back at own post*
WTF dude, you have "I'll just make this **** up" trained to level 6? Not only are both of those ideas terrible, they're also very extreme, and in no way the only options availble to bring balance to the force. Tripling the size of nullsec would also go a long way to curbing the power projection issue (also, probably not a great idea, but there you have it).

My point is, and it's the same point others have made, this situation is a direct result of the fact that you can jump a capital fleet halfway across the game universe in about 15 minutes, smack the hell out of anyone attacking your home sov, and then jump back to your real war (or gudfites). Defending huge swaths of sov space is trivially easy - it's that trivally part that needs fixing.

Dude, you can't be Dinsdale unless you throw in a step about RMT, and say something about nullsec cartels controlling CCP.


In game power equals out of game power, yaknow.

Who does OP think renters are renting from?
We didn't regress, we are just adding a new level.

Next in emergent gameplay: Sub-Leasing
That is REALLY going to **** you off.

In either case, CFC is still Pew Pewing away, so if you want to restore balance to the universe, come out and do something about it, maybe?

I have to say I am loving the amount of blame Goons for this renting culture..

Goons were basically the last to jump on the renting bandwagon

Would be pretty awesome if they did that. But as you say, won't happen.

Would also be nice if cynojamming were made way better/easier, like the mobile cyno inhibitor activated instantly, was reusable, and jammed a larger radius. The existing powers will find a way to game that most efficiently as well in the end, but at least you can ensure that your small gang roam will never get hotdropped.

In broad (general, purposefully vague) terms, I'd do three things:

1. Make space worth fighting for and holding on to.
2. Make it harder to hold vast swathes of space (nerfing power projection is a start), making #1 harder to accomplish.
3. Increase the overall size of nullsec by a factor of at least 3, which increases travel times, thus increasing the effects of #2.


More specifically:

1. Partially rollback the dumbass changes that made not living in your space while getting stupidly rich possible. (System security nerfs I'm looking at you). That makes the systems worth living in for the people that actually own them. It also makes them worth fighting over again. Of course, the smaller alliances are going to get roflstomped unless we do...

2. Nerf the hell out of capital ship travel, especially bridging. (Blops can stay pretty much as they are - they're already fairly limited in range and what they can bridge in). I would cut jump and bridge ranges by about 1/3, and double the fuel requirements (bays stay the same size, which incrases the logistical issues of jumping long ranges from home ports). Now moving a large fleet oif capital ships takes more planning than a fifteen minute conversation about which gatecamp to hotdrop the Nyx fleet on. But that doesn't really help against the subcaps so...

3. Nullsec currently has about 3500 starsystems, and I'd be willing to wager an interceptor gang could visit every one of them in a single day if they tried. So triple it - 10,000 nullsec star systems spread out like twinkling diamonds surrounding the burning Rome that is Empire space. "But but Logistics!". Yup, it's gonna suck. If you're on the fringes, it might take you 10, 12, or more jumps just to reach lowsec. But it also means that roaming gangs are going to be more likely to prey on their neighbors instead of blueing them and flying to the other side of the map looking for lol-pvp. It means that a small industrial alliance out on the fringe now has a reason for living, and just might get some benefit from being squashed in next to a PvP centric one (they make the guns their neighbors use, etc), instead of constantly getting gatecamped to hell and back.

Improve nullsec industry (come on Crius!) so it can manufacture more like 75 - 80% of what they need, and make certain materials only available in certain areas of highsec or lowsec space so trade becomes more or less required without causing it to be bottlenecked like technicium was. Hihsec moon mining - yes, make it A THING™.

Yes, these ideas are radical. And once CCP starts down the path, they would have to commit to reaching the end of it, otherwise they would severely break the game. So it won't happen, but a chap can dream, right?

Double Post.... Grr Goons.

I fail to see how ingame entities acting more like real world factions is a bad thing. At least the renters are using the space.

Exactly, plus these small Alliances wouldnt even be able to hold Sov on their own no matter what the rules were, so at least this way they have access to Null.

It's bad becuse this is a game, and games are supposed to be fun. Landlord Online sounds like a pretty crappy game title, tbh. There's a couple of reasons that the nullsec entities don't use that space they're renting:

A. They don't have to, and
B. It's not worth the effort of using it, anyway.

So they rent it to people who wouldn't be able to get into nullsec any other way, which is fine, except that now the bored PvPers have to fly farther to find people to shoot. Which results in boredom and frustration whenthey fly all the way out there to find no fights. So the bored Pvpers unsub - which damages the game because we have less content creators. So more people unsub. And so on.

Unsub due to boredom is the beginning of the death spiral for all games, not just Eve. But if CCP catches it early enough, they can excise it like a cancer, and we can have another 10 years.