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Definition of a solo player in Eve
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Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-06-03 02:44:16 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What if the Role you Play is a serial killer?

Or a used car salesman?

Or a beggar?

Or a scrap merchant?

etc


If you role play a serial killer, I think I figured out why you're a solo player. = P
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#22 - 2014-06-03 02:44:28 UTC
Adira Nictor wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
I would imagine that a large portion of the EvE community engages in solo ISK generating activity. Therefore, I do not think that it is appropriate to target anyone engaging in PvE; otherwise, the line is very blurred.

Which pretty much leaves only PvP.

So my definition of a solo player is someone who does not engage in PvP combat with any friends, because they do not have any. This does not mean to say that they do not PvP. However, because they do not communicate with anyone, they are no different than an intelligent NPC. Thus, they do not contribute to the dynamic social structure of the game and serve to degrade the entire foundation of this MMORPG.


So I kill you, and that doesn't contribute to the dynamic social structure of the game? I beg to differ. :P



then you are not a solo player. you are activly engaging other players. That is no longer solo play. Even ig you play yourself but hunt someone down and kill that is a form of social interaction. You will prolly remain in eve longer then a pure solo player.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-06-03 02:48:42 UTC
DaReaper wrote:

then you are not a solo player. you are activly engaging other players. That is no longer solo play. Even ig you play yourself but hunt someone down and kill that is a form of social interaction. You will prolly remain in eve longer then a pure solo player.


Your definition of a solo player is impossible to fulfil

Unless you never buy or sell anything

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-06-03 02:51:19 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What if the Role you Play is a serial killer?

Or a used car salesman?

Or a beggar?

Or a scrap merchant?

etc


If you role play a serial killer, I think I figured out why you're a solo player. = P


why?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-06-03 02:53:25 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:

I too have a differing opinion on this matter, for when I recieve hate mail from those that I have relieved of there ship(s) all by my lonesome, it becomes a very social matter. Also implying solo pvpers have no friends is outright foolish.


I did not say solo PvP is bad. But the social aspect of this game, in my opinion, is more dependent on comradery than it is on hatred. Otherwise, we would not have corporations binding people together.

It would be very poor advice to tell a player to play the game and reach a common goal with people they generally do not care for. Isn't there a little saying about the journey being more important than the destination? Especially in a game that values time and patience over effort.

Also, the concept of a person being purely a solo player is also foolish. However, that is what OP asked for us to define.
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-06-03 02:58:23 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

What if the Role you Play is a serial killer?

Or a used car salesman?

Or a beggar?

Or a scrap merchant?

etc


If you role play a serial killer, I think I figured out why you're a solo player. = P


why?


You eat a lot of bread.

http://elkoshary.com/science-and-technology/bread-dangerous

I am pretty sure correlation is causation here.
Oraac Ensor
#27 - 2014-06-03 03:01:40 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
then you are not a solo player. you are activly engaging other players. That is no longer solo play. Even ig you play yourself but hunt someone down and kill that is a form of social interaction. You will prolly remain in eve longer then a pure solo player.

Saisin wrote:
There are a few rules I'd like to lay down for this thread to be useful:
- Post your own definition below
- Avoid trolling or being sarcastic if this is not your play style. Simply ignore this thread, as it is not intended for you.
- Do your best to keep it short identifying the main characteristics of a solo player, and do not get drown in details.
--Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.
- If you care about the subject, Read all the other definitions, and like the ones you could agree with, even if they do not match perfectly your own views.

Thanks!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#28 - 2014-06-03 03:04:53 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:

You eat a lot of bread.

http://elkoshary.com/science-and-technology/bread-dangerous

I am pretty sure correlation is causation here.


You are quite silly and I dont like you very much.

Please go away

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Oraac Ensor
#29 - 2014-06-03 03:05:07 UTC
To me, a solo player is one who has no characters in a player corp and therefore has no permanent (or semi-permanent) relationship with others.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#30 - 2014-06-03 03:06:40 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:

Saisin wrote:

--Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.



How does one understand if one is not allowed to ask questions to gain further understanding?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#31 - 2014-06-03 03:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dun'Gal
As mentioned the definition of a true solo player is extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible to achieve, as interaction with other players may occur involuntarily. While one could, in theory, never use the market - by mining ores, and building the ships they use, and utilizing loot drops to fit said ships, or researching/building these things on there own. The fact that another player can, without warning, interact with you (the supposed solo player,) destroys the concept of "true" solo play.

Edit: Also local, mandatory rookie chat when joining, npc corp chat, etc. make lack of interaction with other people further difficult.
Oraac Ensor
#32 - 2014-06-03 03:17:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:

Saisin wrote:

--Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.



How does one understand if one is not allowed to ask questions to gain further understanding?

DaReaper wasn't asking a question or seeking clarification, he was just rubbishing someone else's opinion, which the OP has specifically asked us to refrain from.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-06-03 03:19:57 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:

Saisin wrote:

--Do not comment or respond about other player's definition, as the point is not to find a unique truth, but to understand all the truths out there.



How does one understand if one is not allowed to ask questions to gain further understanding?

DaReaper wasn't asking a question or seeking clarification, he was just rubbishing someone else's opinion, which the OP has specifically asked us to refrain from.

I wasnt being specific about DaReaper's post, you had drawn my attention to a logic-trap in the OP

You just kinda got sucked into it due to my bad quote-editing skills

Soz

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-06-03 03:22:13 UTC
Solo-players are lost -- this game definitely doesn't cater to that style very much.

The meat-and-potatoes of this game are the coordinated efforts of many people.
Heck, even achieving a level of trust with anyone in this game is a calculated gamble,
considering how many within New Eden are scammers. I don't operate in that way
but I completely understand the extensive security required for many important
operations.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-06-03 03:24:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

You are quite silly and I dont like you very much.

Please go away


That's what a serial killer would say. You are already exhibiting solo player characteristics.
Oraac Ensor
#36 - 2014-06-03 03:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Ramona McCandless wrote:
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I wasnt being specific about DaReaper's post, you had drawn my attention to a logic-trap in the OP

You just kinda got sucked into it due to my bad quote-editing skills

Soz

Well, in fact, even asking a question would violate the OP's thread rules. He just asks for our definitions, whether or not others understand them and without comment from others.

And as I am myself now taking part in a discussion I shall shut up!
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-06-03 03:35:53 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Solo players are those who live in highsec exclusively and uses only highsec content exclusively.

Thats a bear, Carebear if they avoid conflict as well.

Solo players by association. Most carebears are those simple afk miners that read a guide of the best isk/hr ratio and haul it via an AP'd indy to jita without ever interacting with anyone save the market. Missioners are the same except they shoot red crosses instead of space rocks. Tell me how many unaware miners and mission runners have you met in highsec who looks lost if you actually interacted with them?

Some just ignore you thinking you you are part of the environment, some get angry for being in an interaction with a real human and spew crap all over local. Some might even shoot you thinking you are an NPC and receive a quick CONCORD and will proceed to biomass himself over a "broken" game.

TL;DR most solo players are carebears. And no solo pvp'ers actually engage with other players. Even CCP said so.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#38 - 2014-06-03 03:41:29 UTC
A solo player, to me at least, is a player who operates independently of others to reach a goal or goals they themselves intend to reach alone, even when such goals compete with others in a group/team/fleet/corp/alliance. That last part is my way of saying that a solo player is still a solo player even when their competition, like wartargets or enemies, are not operating solo.

A carebear is a player who actively avoids competitive roles in player-to-player environments, but may still operate cooperatively with others to achieve goals set by "the group". They can still be solo players, but it doesn't automatically make them so, just as being a solo player doesn't immediately make you a carebear.

In short, solo players are people who specifically avoid cooperative player-to-player interaction but not necessarily competitive interactions, while a carebear avoids competitive interactions but not necessarily cooperative interactions. You can be either, both at the same time, or neither types, since they neither allow nor disallow one another. A PVPer can still be a solo player or part of a major alliance, and a carebear can still be part of a group or someone who works alone, as both types of players are interchangeable types.

Now, I think one grey area concerning the concept of solo players is "when are alts taken into account in regards to the definition?" To me, it simply doesn't. To add to my definition should it be needed, a solo player is still solo regardless of whether they are using one character or several, as long as the PLAYER is still operating on their own.

That's my take, anyways.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#39 - 2014-06-03 04:29:15 UTC
Solo player: PvP braggart with off grid command ship and 1+ neutral logi alts.

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#40 - 2014-06-03 05:02:43 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Well, in fact, even asking a question would violate the OP's thread rules. He just asks for our definitions, whether or not others understand them and without comment from others.

Thanks for pointing it out again Smile

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