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Active and passive SP would be good for EvE

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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-06-03 00:53:56 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Well, let's just get this "Passive" thing working as it should... go for the new "gold standard" parity of 1 sp for every ISK that passes through your wallet.

Obvious and somewhat hilarious abuses and exploits aside... everyone who comes into the game should be fully skilled and flying a Titan in, oh, 3 days. P


Roll




This, a billion times this.. If we are going to break the game, may as well go for completely broken.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2014-06-03 00:55:42 UTC
4/10,
people bought it.
Also, someone give D20 Rollings an epinephrine shot like right now.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-06-03 00:57:39 UTC
Oh ye gods and little fishes

Not this again

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#24 - 2014-06-03 00:59:02 UTC
I'm walking on sunshine (whoa oh)
And don't it feel good (HEY!) Alright now

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-06-03 01:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Adira Nictor
Dominus Tempus wrote:
Adira Nictor wrote:
Dominus Tempus wrote:
People will rage and cry if you change their precious Eve, even though a slight SP gain modifier for playing the game would change things for the better.



It sure would, I could afk mine all day to gain mining sp, then I could use 2 passive shield tank drakes on alts with hobgobs to improve my drone skills, and when im done with that, small lasers in perma tanked BSs to grind gunnery. Sounds like a great system that allows me to game the system to my advantage.

What an asinine post. If only your comments were as robust as your assumptions.

Obviously it wouldn't be as simple as having SP handed to you for logging in, and it wouldn't be extremely different than it is now.

I'm not defending the integrity of this thread - don't get me wrong. I'm pretty sure this thread was just like the many that came before it with equal or less thought involved.


I don't believe the op included any real plans for it, and the last 300 times I have seen it, it used the simple formula of I do x and get sp for it in that category.

So I mine and get sp for mining
I use guns and get sp for guns
I use drones and get sp for dones.

I never assumed the bonus sp was just given for not doing anything at all. Though to be fair if I was AFK cloaking would I get SP for that? sounds legit to me.

If you don't mind though, I would like to know what part of my post was asinine again? I'm a poorly educated neckbeard who needs the obvious pointed out to him.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Also, someone give D20 Rollings an epinephrine shot like right now.


I was thinking the same thing lol.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-06-03 01:03:38 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
There should be SP rewards for taking action in EvE. As the isk faucets continue to get drawn down there needs to be other rewards for actually participating in EvE. The SP gained in this way could be distributed at the players discretion.

It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.

It also has the potential of increasing Plex sales. As players advance they will still need to buy skill books. Accelerated advancement would put SP gain way ahead of isk gain giving a players a choice of grinding to their new shiny or just shelling out the RL currency of their choice.

Discuss if you would like.


EVE isn't Dust.

/thread

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Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#27 - 2014-06-03 01:50:59 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
There should be SP rewards for taking action in EvE. As the isk faucets continue to get drawn down there needs to be other rewards for actually participating in EvE. The SP gained in this way could be distributed at the players discretion.

It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.

It also has the potential of increasing Plex sales. As players advance they will still need to buy skill books. Accelerated advancement would put SP gain way ahead of isk gain giving a players a choice of grinding to their new shiny or just shelling out the RL currency of their choice.

Discuss if you would like.


If you want to play WoW, go play WoW.

Eve has been constantly growing and staying original and innovative for 11 years without skill grind. It's not going to change now.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#28 - 2014-06-03 02:21:41 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
It will also give new players a way to "catch up"
Misnomer.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2014-06-03 02:23:04 UTC
Adira Nictor wrote:
Wise words


Im really starting to like you

And yes, I know you are sebiestor

This has me confused

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2014-06-03 02:26:52 UTC
It was tried.
It was as horrible as you'd expect.
It was removed.

So no.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-06-03 02:28:34 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:


It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.


Clueless is still clueless, be it after several weeks or several years, 1mil sp or 100mil sp. Funny, that. Roll

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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#32 - 2014-06-03 05:49:03 UTC
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Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-06-03 05:53:02 UTC
NO, just NO!

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Vivec Septim
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-06-03 05:55:36 UTC
This is coming from a PvE guy -- and I can STILL see how 'active' SP would break EVE.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. 
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#35 - 2014-06-03 05:57:27 UTC
I wonder if you can drown someone in napalm or if they would burn up before they suffocate....

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New Mining Mechanics
Alienated Joe
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-06-03 06:42:02 UTC
Everyone likes to jump in the troll-wagon nowadays.

Tippia wrote:
It was tried.
It was as horrible as you'd expect.
It was removed.

So no.


If they'd have removed every horrible system we wouldn't have had EVE has we know it.

They just need to not reward mindless repetitions. A little message poping-up every now and then with a few extra SP, rewarding your everyday activities, from traveling to station trading, would be the way to go.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-06-03 06:43:24 UTC
bad idea of course

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#38 - 2014-06-03 07:10:45 UTC
Alienated Joe wrote:
They just need to not reward mindless repetitions. A little message poping-up every now and then with a few extra SP, rewarding your everyday activities, from traveling to station trading, would be the way to go.

Except that there would be a system - and that system would be discected, analysed and optimised... and because of the way the internet works that optimisation would rapidly become the way you play. You'd probably end up with a situation akin to that just prior to the removal of learning skills; "If you do anything but grind learning skills for your first month you're doing it wrong."
Reiisha
#39 - 2014-06-03 07:38:28 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
There should be SP rewards for taking action in EvE. As the isk faucets continue to get drawn down there needs to be other rewards for actually participating in EvE. The SP gained in this way could be distributed at the players discretion.

It will also give new players a way to "catch up", rewarding actual skill, not just time subscribed.

It also has the potential of increasing Plex sales. As players advance they will still need to buy skill books. Accelerated advancement would put SP gain way ahead of isk gain giving a players a choice of grinding to their new shiny or just shelling out the RL currency of their choice.

Discuss if you would like.


Discussed to death over the past 10 years.

Also, 'catching up' is done by people with real skills, not by characters with a skillpoint stat. A player who actually uses an interceptor for 6 months will always be better than a player who only trains skills for them and never flies them.

If you really need a stat to describe actual skill, EVE may not be the right game for you...

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-06-03 08:14:45 UTC
Rewards for participating in EvE: Making isk and using your isk to do whatever you want to do. If you need additional SP gain as a motivation to play at all, then you obviously don't have fun playing this game anyway.

Way to "catch up": that's wrong. You'd give people who can play a lot an advantage in SP gain over people who can't play a lot. You'd increase the disparity in SP distribution among all players, as there will be long-time players who can play a lot, thus increasing their SP even more, and newer players who can't play a lot, thus gain SP slower than others.
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