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Kill rights on two gankers, now what?

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Ethikos
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-06-02 18:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
I am not familiar with your current corporation, so if they provide all of the below then great. If not, I want to echo the corporation advice. Joining a good corporation is critical to getting the full enjoyment out of EvE in my experience. Trying to do everything and learn everything by yourself is frankly very frustrating. There are some suggestions for newbie friendly corporations at the bottom of my response. If you have further questions about various options, please post them and people here will be happy to help.

The next question I would ask, what do you want to do? Take a step back and think about what you want out of the game? Are you the type of person who is doing all the manufacturing to support your PvP habit? Are you the type of person who really enjoys getting a lot of in game wealth and that is driving the manufacturing? The reason I ask is because your next steps will be very different based on what you want out of EvE.

If your more interested in PvP, I would recommend joining one of the corporations and focusing on their PvP tracks. Ask them also how to mine / manufacture more safely and they will almost certainly be happy to help you. Your fattening your wallet so you can buy PvP ships for fleets, and if your manufacturing your producing stuff for your corp mates to use. With the manufacturing changes, I believe this is only going to go up on the importance scale. If your more interested in wealth, join one of the corporations and focus your time on learning how to make yourself a non-viable suicide target while you do your mining / manufacturing.

As far as these specific suicide guys, getting your revenge on them is not impossible but much harder by yourself. You have to understand how they operate. They typically fly very cheap / very high DPS ships with no tank. They expect these ships to die due to CONCORD. They then have some cloaking / neutral alt in system to scoop up the loot after they kill you. Blowing them up is not necessarily the most effective response (but if its fun for you, go for it). Fitting your ship with a better tank / etc is one route to go. You are basically making it much harder to break your tank meaning that the suicide squad has a less likely chance of killing you prior to dieing to CONCORD. Even a single DCU II or Adaptive Invul II can make a huge difference.

Regardless of how you choose to respond. Take a look at these corporations to help you get started. EvE University is a very structured approach with class rooms on the various aspects of EvE. Brave Newbies is a more hands on approach but is taking space in Null Sec. That means you can enjoy all that fun while having a very large Alliance around you to help you out.
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#42 - 2014-06-02 18:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
Oh, and BTW, I bought a complete POS with arrays for manufacture and lab... I thought I will be able to set it up later this year...

Probably I have too many assets, but you don't know how something is w/o trying it, seeing how it goes and how to make it profitable. And almost a bln in implants I might loose in a sec.

And... I only sold one PLEX since starting eve. I guess I have made some money if you judge a few billions in assets, skills books and gear and implants.
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#43 - 2014-06-02 18:28:17 UTC
As for the corp... I founded my own, but not got to the recruiting point just yet for two reasons...

1. I realized I might need to join other corps and learn so last week I resigned as CEO and started to look for some corps to join but I am clueless how to chose one. If I need to move all my assets from where I am based now, it'll be a nightmare...

At my HQ my item hangar says 1bln and ship hangar says 3bln, not counting what is not here, or what is in buy orders or in lab jobs. I don't know if this is a lot or not but for a solo player, I don't feel ashamed.

2. Fiddling with a strategy for the future and not clear what I want to do. I want to find niches trying all I can, THEN start to recruit, maybe next year or so.

But at this point I am stuck on how to chose a new corp.

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-06-02 18:31:08 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
But at this point I am stuck on how to chose a new corp.

Start Here.

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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#45 - 2014-06-02 18:33:46 UTC
Ethikos wrote:
[...] Fitting your industrial ship with a better tank / etc is one route to go. You are basically making it much harder to break your tank meaning that the suicide squad has a less likely chance of killing you prior to dieing to CONCORD. Even a single DCU II or Adaptive Invul II can make a huge difference. [...]


We were two miners when I got blown up and only defence was 5 drone. Not much to tank in a Retriever. When I heard the alarm and turned my eyes to the EVE monitor, I thought it is NPC pirates but looked into it anyway. I realised this is different, but shields where already done and armour was half. So my only concern was to spam the warp button with the hope capsule will at least survive, which it did.

I am not even sure if CONCORD showed up or not. I returned in few moments with a Drake, and see what I can recover from there but other than the ore and mining crystals nothing was there. They did not loot or salvage and no other wrecks there, other than mine and some NPC pirates I killed previously.

Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#46 - 2014-06-02 18:37:42 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Speed Destiny wrote:
But at this point I am stuck on how to chose a new corp.

Start Here.


Nice. I don't even got there as my first question went unanswered. How do I find a corp operating in a specific region/constellation so I won't be moving all my stuff or trip back and forth to be closer to other corp members? So that guide is awesome, but answers questions I don't have at the moment.

One thought was to check corps in my stations and see if they are recruiting, but this is as far as I got...

Ethikos
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-06-02 18:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
Speed Destiny wrote:

...

I realized I might need to join other corps and learn so last week I resigned as CEO and started to look for some corps to join but I am clueless how to chose one.

...

But at this point I am stuck on how to chose a new corp.


First, you don't have to move all your current assets when you join a new corp. I am guessing your HQ station is in High Sec. In other words nice and safe. That station is not going anywhere. Leave most things there for now as you venture you. Just take the ships you need right now. You can move things at a latter date if you decide to make a permanent move.

Second, take a look at the thread about how to pick a corporation. It has a lot of good advice in it. Based on everything you have said so far, I would recommend EvE University or Brave Newbies per above. Take a look at both, talk to their recruiters. Explain where you are in the game and that you want to explore all the game has to offer.

Finally, starting a brand new corp while being a brand new player is very hard. Your trying to do everything by yourself while learning one of the most complex MMOs out there. If your heart is set on it, then great and go for it. But I would really recommend joining up with one of the newer player friendly corps and learning from them. Besides, EvE is so much more fun with friends to fly with in my experience.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-06-02 18:42:20 UTC
You seem pretty intent on making things as hard on yourself as possible. I don't know that any amount of advice is going to help you until you get out of your own way. Dabbling in things is great, but stop sinking buckets of money into crap that you have absolutely no plan for.

I mean really, a POS and labs that you're going to anchor at some indefinite point in the future? Why not just buy them when you need them? It's not like there's going to be a run on the stick market.

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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#49 - 2014-06-02 18:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
[...]I mean really, a POS and labs that you're going to anchor at some indefinite point in the future? Why not just buy them when you need them? It's not like there's going to be a run on the stick market.


Well, the idea was to TRY, see how I can anchor, use, to prepare for it and learn about it. To check profits and see the logistics behind running it. I am probably able to test run it and anchor it in 0.6 space but then I realised I need to find a place for it. Then I monkeyed with the thought of moving in null sec somehow, but don't know how w/o a corp. Then I thought to anchor the tower just for a few days to see how it goes, how can I use its defences, who will attack it and so forth. How do I know all this? All guides on the internet are saying: it's not profitable. Maybe so, but I want to try it. I thought with few corps about helping me with it and they said, well, what do you need that for? Go for PvP! I removed those from my address book instantly.

I've read about POSes days in row, and still not clear how they go, how they operate and how to defend them. Or if they are worth the price. So I need to try even if it means blowing up 300 mlns for nothing, after all I blow those up, not gankers. And the price, helped me to understand and learn.

This is the game for me. Trying stuff and finding my own ways through learning. If we all follow the guides, EvE won't be probably fun.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#50 - 2014-06-02 20:11:43 UTC
I would recommend EVE University for you, based on what I've read so far. It's a good place for people who want to try some of everything. You don't need to move all your assets, and even if you decide that you want to, you can always just set up a contract with Red Frog Logistics. They are pretty cheap when you are just hauling across highsec.

Now, back to the subject at hand - your plans for revenge. So we have established that there were two guys and they are both more or less -10, and they seem to base in lowsec. What we don't know is whether they are dedicated ganking alts or lowsec PvPers who felt like ganking today just for fun. It would actually help if you tell us their names - I could probably do a quick background check on them and be better able to come up with a viable plan.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-06-02 22:03:24 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Ethikos wrote:
[...] Fitting your industrial ship with a better tank / etc is one route to go. You are basically making it much harder to break your tank meaning that the suicide squad has a less likely chance of killing you prior to dieing to CONCORD. Even a single DCU II or Adaptive Invul II can make a huge difference. [...]


We were two miners when I got blown up and only defence was 5 drone. Not much to tank in a Retriever. When I heard the alarm and turned my eyes to the EVE monitor, I thought it is NPC pirates but looked into it anyway. I realised this is different, but shields where already done and armour was half. So my only concern was to spam the warp button with the hope capsule will at least survive, which it did.

I am not even sure if CONCORD showed up or not. I returned in few moments with a Drake, and see what I can recover from there but other than the ore and mining crystals nothing was there. They did not loot or salvage and no other wrecks there, other than mine and some NPC pirates I killed previously.


The best defense is not being on grid when they land. At the worst you're already aligned and at full speed ready to warp out. One thing that lowsec has thought me is to keep an eye in local and make dscan your best buddy forever and ever. That way you get good situational awareness. Some common examples include:
"Hey now I was alone in local for 3 hours and suddenly there are 50 guys, hmm their names have red skulls in local I'm sure it's safe to continue doing what I do"
Any PVP'er will know there's a large fleet that's probably searching for you and try to pop you. So any one who's attached to their ship will naturally drop whatever they are doing and try to evade and/or hide from the blob. That's also applicable as a miner wherein you see flashy reds in local, you better scoop up drones and finish your mining op and start aligning to station. The moment you see them on long scan and you aren't aligned it's probably too late.

Another good analogy is no amount of wearable body armor will save you from a truck heading your way at 100 km/hr. The best way to survive is to just sidestep the truck. Same is true for a PVP'er and miners. If you see something that you know will kill you better leave grid. Of course if you were asleep (afk mining)when said truck was rampaging you deserve to get hit.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#52 - 2014-06-03 00:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
Well, dunno if it is good or bad, but I've decided to join a nullsec corp and leave for it. As I understand I won't be able to come back so I sell all my assets and will head there in my Buzzard and will see how it goes. They will help me jump freight what I want to carry with me there and that's it. I will learn to live outside the Empire for now.

I have not a faint idea how is there and what I will do there, except learn PvP, fleet and wars and train for it. Then if I will like it ok, if not I will return somehow in highsec.

But for now, I think it's all set. I've found a 200 members corp in a big alliance, people there seem to know a bit or two... They are at war... Excited and confused, but surely I need to step up and learn something.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#53 - 2014-06-03 00:52:53 UTC
Please note that you can return to high sec anytime you want, so you dont need to get rid of your stuff.

Also, i would be very careful with just handing people your stuff. Some are genuine and will actually move your stuff for you, others.. not so much.

Good luck in 0.0 and have fun Smile
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#54 - 2014-06-03 01:07:54 UTC
I've been told that coming back I risk to get blown up on sight by the wardeccs corps...

As for my stuff? It's a big corp, old and local here for me. I know about it for years... If the waited for a new recruit to steal his stuff so be it. I got their TS, I've been checked, talked with them, If I will get ripped of (I highly doubt) so be it. I wont be mad at them as I was on those to gank-ers...
Oraac Ensor
#55 - 2014-06-03 01:08:38 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
I am totally new to this but willing to learn and do my revenge.

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Speed Destiny

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CURRENT CORPORATION
Cluelix [CLUX] from 2014.05.28 11:55 to this day

PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S)
School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2008.01.03 01:36 to 2014.05.28 11:55.

Just curious.
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#56 - 2014-06-03 01:20:45 UTC
Yeah, what is wrong? Want me to explain my history? ;)

Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#57 - 2014-06-03 01:23:25 UTC
I took a capsule with a different char and went inthere. Markets are empty and stations wont allow me to dock. Why?

Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#58 - 2014-06-03 01:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
I see piratres with 1.2 mil bounties. Easier to make isk then mining in highsec... :)
Oraac Ensor
#59 - 2014-06-03 01:41:20 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
Yeah, what is wrong? Want me to explain my history? ;)

Nothing's wrong. Just wondering how a 6-year-old player can be "totally new to this" and have so few ship skills.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#60 - 2014-06-03 01:45:34 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Speed Destiny wrote:
Yeah, what is wrong? Want me to explain my history? ;)

Nothing's wrong. Just wondering how a 6-year-old player can be "totally new to this" and have so few ship skills.


My guess is that the person started a trial account way way back, did not continue playing at that point, came back and is using the same char as they had back then.
Not uncommon, and especially now with the return offer CCP have going i can see this occur on a more regular basis.

Speed Destiny wrote:
I took a capsule with a different char and went inthere. Markets are empty and stations wont allow me to dock. Why?



Unless the character in question is in the alliance, or have good standings with the owners of the station you normally wont be able to dock. Very few 0.0 entities allows neutrals to dock in their stations.