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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#21 - 2014-06-01 21:07:16 UTC
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Some very interesting numbers in all of the above calculations and it really makes you think. The one thing that sticks on my mind is the fact that the Naglfar can throw out more than a destroyer every volley and yet that doesn’t instantly kill everything it touches.


Minmatar technology.

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stoicfaux
#22 - 2014-06-01 21:19:23 UTC
And the mass of each shell is 1 kg.

According to wikipedia, 21.5 MT is "the maximum theoretical yield from 1 kg of matter by converting all of the mass into energy."

Also, remember that we have hybrid anti-matter rounds, which implies being able to mass produce (and safely transport and store) anti-matter, yet we sill use other types of ammunition.

It's simpler to just realize that CCP's science team is more about the "fiction" in "science fiction" than the any "science."

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-06-01 21:57:59 UTC
Turns out that this is a video game

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Twisted Chick
Sebiestor Tribe
#24 - 2014-06-01 22:42:37 UTC
Too much math

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-06-01 23:15:23 UTC
Otto Weston wrote:


What do you think?



I think you just need to suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy the ride. Blink

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stoicfaux
#26 - 2014-06-01 23:52:02 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Otto Weston wrote:


What do you think?



I think you just need to suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy the ride. Blink


tl;dr - Drink until pressing F1 becomes the most serene, elegantly complicated, sublime depth of zen combat possible.


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TedStriker
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-06-02 00:53:17 UTC
you are making alot of ....earth bound assumptions.

remember you are in space, its not a tank-cannon with the same limitations. (look up dora-canon to see what we already did on earth....in the '40s)

The Naglfar has a mass of 1,127,500,000kg. Therefore, launching 1,371,663kg (your number) is absolutely non problematic at all, you can do that railgun-style, there is no friction, you don't push against atmosphere.
Your limiting factor is "energy" (on the host vessel)....EvE is 5000 years in the future...calculate matter/antimatter function to get relistic numbers.

But yea, EvE is a game...and not a good space game at that. Warfare in Space would be dramatically different anyways then what EvE portrays.
Solecist Project
#28 - 2014-06-02 01:12:39 UTC
TedStriker wrote:
you are making alot of ....earth bound assumptions.

remember you are in space, its not a tank-cannon with the same limitations. (look up dora-canon to see what we already did on earth....in the '40s)

The Naglfar has a mass of 1,127,500,000kg. Therefore, launching 1,371,663kg (your number) is absolutely non problematic at all, you can do that railgun-style, there is no friction, you don't push against atmosphere.
Your limiting factor is "energy" (on the host vessel)....EvE is 5000 years in the future...calculate matter/antimatter function to get relistic numbers.

But yea, EvE is a game...and not a good space game at that. Warfare in Space would be dramatically different anyways then what EvE portrays.

20.000 years.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2014-06-02 01:20:06 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
TedStriker wrote:
you are making alot of ....earth bound assumptions.

remember you are in space, its not a tank-cannon with the same limitations. (look up dora-canon to see what we already did on earth....in the '40s)

The Naglfar has a mass of 1,127,500,000kg. Therefore, launching 1,371,663kg (your number) is absolutely non problematic at all, you can do that railgun-style, there is no friction, you don't push against atmosphere.
Your limiting factor is "energy" (on the host vessel)....EvE is 5000 years in the future...calculate matter/antimatter function to get relistic numbers.

But yea, EvE is a game...and not a good space game at that. Warfare in Space would be dramatically different anyways then what EvE portrays.

20.000 years.


This means we MUST kill all psychic Amarr so none are Emperor at the 30,000 year mark.

Oh crap

He's not from Amarr is he, he's from Terra

Fack

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Solecist Project
#30 - 2014-06-02 01:22:54 UTC
That....... doesn't really make sense to me.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-06-02 01:29:24 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
That....... doesn't really make sense to me.


Thanks be to Slaanesh for that

I was worried you were...

One of them

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Lady Areola Fappington
#32 - 2014-06-02 01:59:04 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
That....... doesn't really make sense to me.


Thanks be to Slaanesh for that

I was worried you were...

One of them



SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

BLOOD FOR YOUR LOCAL RED CROSS CHAPTER!!

KHORNE DOES NOT CARE WHOSE BLOOD FLOWS, ONLY THAT IT GO TO A WORTHY CAUSE!!!

(I'm a civic-minded heretic.)

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2014-06-02 02:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
That....... doesn't really make sense to me.


Thanks be to Slaanesh for that

I was worried you were...

One of them



SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

BLOOD FOR YOUR LOCAL RED CROSS CHAPTER!!

KHORNE DOES NOT CARE WHOSE BLOOD FLOWS, ONLY THAT IT GO TO A WORTHY CAUSE!!!

(I'm a civic-minded heretic.)


I think its unfair that we are supposed to be enemies

Have you seen the butt on a Bloodthirster?

HAWT

Plus, being a Blood Raider I suppose I should be all for Mr 8, but I just cant seem to stop... doing what Im doing right now, sorry

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#34 - 2014-06-02 02:18:08 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Anyway, physically speaking, just about everything about EVE is unrealistic: look what happens when I fly a kilometre-long battleship travelling at 3000 km/h into a space station the size of Holland!

Not much.


Hey, look how fast I'm going in space after applying continuous thrust for an hour!

Exactly as fast as I was going 58 minutes ago.


And so on.


Space is a liquid.


There's always room for Jell-O.

Do you know why there is always room for Jell-O? because it slips and slides and finds a spot.

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#35 - 2014-06-02 02:18:30 UTC
OP, who cares, just play the game or get a day job cos looks like you got too much time on your hands :/

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-06-02 02:43:44 UTC
The spice must flow.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#37 - 2014-06-02 03:03:32 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Otto Weston wrote:


What do you think?



I think you just need to suspend your disbelief, sit back and enjoy the ride. Blink


tl;dr - Drink until pressing F1 becomes the most serene, elegantly complicated, sublime depth of zen combat possible.

It was back when there were AoE Doomsdays. Medidating on the perfect moment and then, F1, everything was dead. Nirvana achieved.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-06-02 04:43:07 UTC
I too strive for realism in my science fiction spaceship game where I am immortal.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-06-02 07:30:41 UTC
Don't trust any numbers that aren't used for game mechanics.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#40 - 2014-06-02 07:47:39 UTC
Otto Weston wrote:
EVE numbers are ridiculous. We all know it… yet I decided to do some fun calculations to find out more about XL weaponry and the numbers involved. So for the following ridiculous eve numbers – I have used the Naglfar’s Depleted Uranium XL shells.

Firstly, this XL shell can come in two sizes.. 3500mm or 2500mm. I will run calculations for both of these sizes.

https://image.eveonline.com/Type/20739_64.png

From the above picture, we can work out the approximate shell size. The base is 5mm in diameter and the height is 15mm. By using that ratio, we find out that the 3500mm shell is 10.5 metres tall and the 2500mm shell is 7.5 metres tall.
Next I’ll work out the volume of each shell. The Problem is, that the cone isn’t perfect and is rather round. Therefore I’ll calculate what a perfect cone would be volume-wise and then add 20%.



That is a drawing of a shell with a propellent case, that appears to me to be about 75% propellent by volume (and propellent has significantly less density than steel, let alone depleted uranium).

oops!

Whilst I'm being pedantic I'll also note that EVE projectiles seem to have an explosive damage component which implies the presence of a burster which will require most of the internal projectile volume, but will have similar mass to the propellent.

Quote:


What do you think?



You are probably orders of magnitude out with your calculations. Note that even if the projectile doesn't have a burster, it will only have the momentum that the supplied propellent volume can provide.

Ships historically were only moderately vulnerable to pure kinetic damage, and later ships that had subdivision and non vital areas even more so, which is why meh to caldari kinetic missiles and why I presume that kinetic minmatar ammunition has explosive effect - its intended to have a burster, since you really have to wreck the insides of anything to stop it shooting back before it wrecks you.

Even if the game is simulating nuclear propellent and nuclear bursters, nuclear devices need internal voids otherwise they'd be critical when assembled, and although there is kinetic force available as a design alternative one imagines that its more reliable to still use conventional (not very dense) explosive to initiate, further reducing density.
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