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Damage when ships have physical contact? in next update?
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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-06-01 16:51:15 UTC
Raytarded Soulstealer wrote:
just watched new EVE online video: The Prophecy; in the movie after the gate was active at 3:10 two ships was running into each other and crushed. so 6/3 update would there be damage when ships physically contacted each other? i'm really pleased that CCP brings such a key common sense into the video. anyone have any more information about this in game?


crashing moment



What ever gave you the idea that this was happening?
Every trade hub would be a complete disaster. So would fleets of more than 15 people.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-06-01 17:35:42 UTC
The ships were EMP-ed, which shut down all systems including engines. Ships use emergency thrusters to forcefully avoid collisions with other objects, hence damageless "bumping".

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Dominus Tempus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-06-01 17:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dominus Tempus
I didn't realize the Goons took in newbies.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-06-01 17:42:26 UTC
If trailers signaled game mechanics, we'd have had Thanatoses suiciding into stations long, long ago.
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#25 - 2014-06-01 23:20:31 UTC
Doubt it, because things like large fleets bridging onto a cyno can be chaotic with bumping. Specially capitals.

I discourage running with scissors.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-06-01 23:44:00 UTC
XxRTEKxX wrote:
In 2012 they released a video about DirectX 11 and Tessalation. They talked about having ships collide, astroids bouncing off the ship, and all that good stuff. Its now 2 years later and they havent said anything new about what they planned.

Because they didn't plan anything.

Do you look at concept cars and think "wow I can't wait until these hit the streets"?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-06-02 02:57:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the jita 4-4 undock is all the reason you need for why collision damage is a stupid idea.


Speaking of stupid ideas.

Jita 4-4.

A little more realism would go a long way toward cleaning out the garbage parts of EVE.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Dave Stark
#28 - 2014-06-02 07:03:13 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the jita 4-4 undock is all the reason you need for why collision damage is a stupid idea.


Speaking of stupid ideas.

Jita 4-4.

A little more realism would go a long way toward cleaning out the garbage parts of EVE.


not really.
I always go in to the centre of town when i need to buy almost anything IRL... just like i go to jita 4-4 when i want to buy almost anything in EVE.

Jita 4-4 is just missing a statue of a large bronze bull and it'd feel like home.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-06-02 07:07:50 UTC
Alastair Ormand wrote:
Doubt it, because things like large fleets bridging onto a cyno can be chaotic with bumping. Specially capitals.

fix for power projection?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-06-02 07:20:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the jita 4-4 undock is all the reason you need for why collision damage is a stupid idea.


Speaking of stupid ideas.

Jita 4-4.

A little more realism would go a long way toward cleaning out the garbage parts of EVE.


not really.
I always go in to the centre of town when i need to buy almost anything IRL... just like i go to jita 4-4 when i want to buy almost anything in EVE.

Jita 4-4 is just missing a statue of a large bronze bull and it'd feel like home.


Oh I agree if we going shopping for socks, but I'd love to see some center of town that sells aircraft carriers and just about everything else and lets you take it out like traffic or storage space doesn't exist.

If you wanted a centralized database to order anything you want (which is pretty cool) CCP can do that but it doesn't mean the products are held in one station. You could then do pickups or have delivery, UPS/FedEx style and the Jita ugly mess of ships clipping through each other ends overnight, and we could have some of the cool things people want but can't have "because of Jita 4-4"

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Sintiar Loffwagea
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-06-02 07:37:32 UTC
Jita 4-4 is not that problem . If CCP would like to introduced Collision damge CCP can solved Jita 4-4 undock . and why Jita 4-4 i are talking i s just excuse because many people like to Bump Bump

. i'm sure CCP will implement Collision soon but who know how far it out month or years .
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2014-06-02 07:43:23 UTC
Simple explanation: the Capsule that integrates us all with our ships is also home to an ultra powerful forcefield that protects the ship from impacting with others - it only activates a few seconds or so before the ships impact and only at the point of contact, which "bounces" the ship away. The Jove never explained this technology when they gave New Eden the technology.

It is also dependant on velocity, so ships can come remarkably close when moving at slow velocities, but never quite "touch"



That helpful enough :v

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#33 - 2014-06-02 07:44:04 UTC
XxRTEKxX wrote:
In 2012 they released a video about DirectX 11 and Tessalation. They talked about having ships collide, astroids bouncing off the ship, and all that good stuff. Its now 2 years later and they havent said anything new about what they planned.

So if you see something in a trailer, dont expect it to happen anytime soon.

Hell they even talked about wanting asteroid belts so big it would take an hour to fly from one end to the other. That was two years ago.

They can't move onto that because a lot of EVE players can't run DX-11. They have however started work on the DX-11 engine as the DX-11 option shows, so once they are ready to drop DX-9 support in the future it will be relatively bug free having already been ironed out a lot.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2014-06-02 07:50:36 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
XxRTEKxX wrote:
In 2012 they released a video about DirectX 11 and Tessalation. They talked about having ships collide, astroids bouncing off the ship, and all that good stuff. Its now 2 years later and they havent said anything new about what they planned.

So if you see something in a trailer, dont expect it to happen anytime soon.

Hell they even talked about wanting asteroid belts so big it would take an hour to fly from one end to the other. That was two years ago.

They can't move onto that because a lot of EVE players can't run DX-11. They have however started work on the DX-11 engine as the DX-11 option shows, so once they are ready to drop DX-9 support in the future it will be relatively bug free having already been ironed out a lot.

They also can't move onto that because it's a pretty oddball combination of server and client calculations. The bouncing and colliding would have to be done server-side and would therefore be completely unrelated to DX11 and tesselation.

It was more to illustrate what kind of visual effects tesselation can be used for in general, than of anything that can ever happen in EVE. Sure, they could call DX11 to light up the correct subsurface in a neat shield interaction effect, but it would have no actual impact on what happens to the two colliding bodies.
Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-02 08:03:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
[...]

It was more to illustrate what kind of visual effects tesselation can be used for in general, than of anything that can ever happen in EVE. Sure, they could call DX11 to light up the correct subsurface in a neat shield interaction effect, but it would have no actual impact on what happens to the two colliding bodies.


I still think showing that shield interaction effect would not only look neat, but also reduce the questions about the realism of bumping, as it would be apparent to anyone that the ships aren't actually touching physically because of some energy field interaction. :)
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#36 - 2014-06-02 08:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alastair Ormand
March rabbit wrote:
Alastair Ormand wrote:
Doubt it, because things like large fleets bridging onto a cyno can be chaotic with bumping. Specially capitals.

fix for power projection?

Doubt that too. They'd use multiple cynos if this were the case.

I discourage running with scissors.
DrSmegma
Smegma United
#37 - 2014-06-02 09:24:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Trailers are not indicitive of game play

Never have been, never will be

This is also why movie trailers are utterly worthless


Umm I thought movie trailers suck because they show the entire movie within a minute or two, including the ending scene, so the audience knows what it's going to watch. Otherwise it will be scared.

Like that 4th Rambo movie. The trailer was actually better than the movie. It had all the cool scenes but without the ridiculous bla bla. And even an additional monologue of Rambo praying.

The Eve trailers on the other hand are just completely detached from the game.

Eve too complicated? Try Astrum Regatta.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#38 - 2014-06-02 10:20:11 UTC
XxRTEKxX wrote:
In 2012 they released a video about DirectX 11 and Tessalation. They talked about having ships collide, astroids bouncing off the ship, and all that good stuff. Its now 2 years later and they havent said anything new about what they planned.


Confirmed in one of the fanfest vids (art panel maybe?) that they have put that stuff on the back-burner.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ham the Astrochimp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-06-02 10:36:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Much cuter looking than bright. xD

see? see? Ham told you. Ham told you. brighter! brighter! more brighter!
oo oo ee
Elmonky
Alternative Royal Dynamics
GameTheory
#40 - 2014-06-02 13:15:53 UTC
Came expecting a ''Intensify forward batteries!'' followed by an A Wing taking down a ship 400 times it's size.



Eve O I am disappoint
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