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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#41 - 2014-06-01 20:10:27 UTC
An aside, maybe a real star wars geek can answer this, i never understood the 'bring balance to the force' thing. Because after Vader wiped out the jedi (minus 2) there would be balance, 2 sith, 2 jedi. But then yoda and obi wan die thus leaving luke, so vader changes sides and kills the emperor then dies, thus leaving 1 jedi, thus no balance...

So how exactly was 'balance' brought the force?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-06-01 20:13:02 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
An aside, maybe a real star wars geek can answer this, i never understood the 'bring balance to the force' thing. Because after Vader wiped out the jedi (minus 2) there would be balance, 2 sith, 2 jedi. But then yoda and obi wan die thus leaving luke, so vader changes sides and kills the emperor then dies, thus leaving 1 jedi, thus no balance...

So how exactly was 'balance' brought the force?


After Yoda and Obi Wan die there are still 2 "lightside" Force users/sensitives....

Luke and Leia

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2014-06-01 20:14:24 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
the Falcon being a hunk of junk


Ah! So it was a Mammoth or cargo-fit Rupture!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
stoicfaux
#44 - 2014-06-01 20:22:14 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
An aside, maybe a real star wars geek can answer this, i never understood the 'bring balance to the force' thing. Because after Vader wiped out the jedi (minus 2) there would be balance, 2 sith, 2 jedi. But then yoda and obi wan die thus leaving luke, so vader changes sides and kills the emperor then dies, thus leaving 1 jedi, thus no balance...

So how exactly was 'balance' brought the force?

Because "balance" didn't mean balance: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen_One
Quote:
The prophecy of the Chosen One was an ancient Jedi legend that foretold the coming of a being who would restore balance to the Force. The idea of balance of the Force, a central tenet of the Jedi Order, referred to the ideal state in which the Force existed in nature, namely as the light side. According to Jedi dogma, the presence of the dark side corrupted and destroyed this natural balance, and the Jedi viewed it as their duty to restore it.


Basically, "balance" means making everything high-sec, i.e. the Jedi were Badass CareBears (not a contradiction in terms) and the Jedi Council would be the equivalent of an EVE CSM full of CareBears (and CCP Devs being influenced by WoW instead of Ultima Online.)

tl;dr - Chribba (with a lightsaber) would be the Mace Windu of EVE.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux
#45 - 2014-06-01 20:24:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
the Falcon being a hunk of junk


Ah! So it was a Mammoth or cargo-fit Rupture!

Sounds good. However, the Fenrir would be a land vehicle for use in Dust 514.

And we wouldn't call them Dusties, we would call them Jawas.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2014-06-01 20:24:33 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
An aside, maybe a real star wars geek can answer this, i never understood the 'bring balance to the force' thing. Because after Vader wiped out the jedi (minus 2) there would be balance, 2 sith, 2 jedi. But then yoda and obi wan die thus leaving luke, so vader changes sides and kills the emperor then dies, thus leaving 1 jedi, thus no balance...

So how exactly was 'balance' brought the force?
The balance isn't between light side and dark side, but a degree of chaos. Light side is balance; dark side is chaos. It's a very absolutist view… Twisted

Then again, depending on how much expanded-universe stuff you want to consider, there's far more to the force and its supposed “balance” than Jedi vs. Sith.
stoicfaux
#47 - 2014-06-01 20:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Oh fudge. Star Wars would have ended right after the opening battlescene. Remember when the C-3PO and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plans) hopped onto a life pod and ejected? And the Imperial gunner in charge of shooting life pods, said "no life signs. let it go?"

In EVE, the "no life signs" pod would have been podded regardless. End of movie. End of Star Wars. Cue the Imperial Blue Doughnut.


edit: Actually, the more I think about it, a module that detects "life signs" doesn't exist in EVE because no one would think to build one in a galaxy populated with a "if it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway; it could be asleep" mentality.

The workaround is to put that scene in a "trailer" because EVE trailers don't have to adhere to EVE mechanics.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2014-06-01 21:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
stoicfaux wrote:
Oh fudge. Star Wars would have ended right after the opening battlescene. Remember when the C-3PO and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plans) hopped onto a life pod and ejected? And the Imperial gunner in charge of shooting life pods, said "no life signs. let it go?"

In EVE, the "no life signs" pod would have been podded regardless. End of movie. End of Star Wars. Cue the Imperial Blue Doughnut.


edit: Actually, the more I think about it, a module that detects "life signs" doesn't exist in EVE because no one would think to build one in a galaxy populated with a "if it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway; it could be asleep" mentality.

The workaround is to put that scene in a "trailer" because EVE trailers don't have to adhere to EVE mechanics.

To be fair, that scene should have ended the same in the Star Wars universe as well: an empire that makes extensive use of communications droids, assassination probes, and which was ostensibly founded as the result of fighting entire armies of robots… and they think that “no life signs” is in any way relevant for determining the value of a target?

And what's the problem of shooting it regardless? They're attacking a diplomatic vessel and will have to clean up the mess anyway to make the traces go away. What, are they charging lasers by the meter now?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#49 - 2014-06-02 00:20:18 UTC
Eli Hakomairos wrote:
I personally never saw the empire as the bad guys. prior to the empire the galaxy was waging wars on multiple fronts, planets were starving, ect ect. the empire unifies them all, and despite their hunting of jedi they really never did anything that warranted a rebellion against them. The death star was a moon sized starbase, think of all the imperial soldiers stationed on it with their families, and the amount of jobs its construction must have brought to the economy.
tl;dr Rebels are scumbags

#neverforget


Damn right, the rebels are just as immoral and unethical as the empire any day of the week. They have no problem squandering lives and partaking in mass killings.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#50 - 2014-06-02 00:21:33 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Death Star would have been just one of hundreds which The Empire didn´t want anyway and already has replaced besides.

Instead the Rebels would have defeated The Empire by just having a spy join it who would have stolen all their stuff right before pressing a single button and disolving it.


We would have a monument floating where the death star used to be.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#51 - 2014-06-02 00:22:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Oh fudge. Star Wars would have ended right after the opening battlescene. Remember when the C-3PO and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plans) hopped onto a life pod and ejected? And the Imperial gunner in charge of shooting life pods, said "no life signs. let it go?"

In EVE, the "no life signs" pod would have been podded regardless. End of movie. End of Star Wars. Cue the Imperial Blue Doughnut.


edit: Actually, the more I think about it, a module that detects "life signs" doesn't exist in EVE because no one would think to build one in a galaxy populated with a "if it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway; it could be asleep" mentality.

The workaround is to put that scene in a "trailer" because EVE trailers don't have to adhere to EVE mechanics.

To be fair, that scene should have ended the same in the Star Wars universe as well: an empire that makes extensive use of communications droids, assassination probes, and which was ostensibly founded as the result of fighting entire armies of robots… and they think that “no life signs” is in any way relevant for determining the value of a target?

And what's the problem of shooting it regardless? They're attacking a diplomatic vessel and will have to clean up the mess anyway to make the traces go away. What, are they charging lasers by the meter now?


George Lucas is a bad writer?!

SHURELY SHOME MISHTAKE

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#52 - 2014-06-02 00:39:26 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Oh fudge. Star Wars would have ended right after the opening battlescene. Remember when the C-3PO and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plans) hopped onto a life pod and ejected? And the Imperial gunner in charge of shooting life pods, said "no life signs. let it go?"

In EVE, the "no life signs" pod would have been podded regardless. End of movie. End of Star Wars. Cue the Imperial Blue Doughnut.


edit: Actually, the more I think about it, a module that detects "life signs" doesn't exist in EVE because no one would think to build one in a galaxy populated with a "if it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway; it could be asleep" mentality.

The workaround is to put that scene in a "trailer" because EVE trailers don't have to adhere to EVE mechanics.

To be fair, that scene should have ended the same in the Star Wars universe as well: an empire that makes extensive use of communications droids, assassination probes, and which was ostensibly founded as the result of fighting entire armies of robots… and they think that “no life signs” is in any way relevant for determining the value of a target?

And what's the problem of shooting it regardless? They're attacking a diplomatic vessel and will have to clean up the mess anyway to make the traces go away. What, are they charging lasers by the meter now?


George Lucas is a bad writer?!

SHURELY SHOME MISHTAKE


I already knew this but this thread has made me realize he is worse than I had thought. Too bad he didn't let his buddy John Milius rewrite it before he shot the movie.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#53 - 2014-06-02 00:42:40 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

George Lucas is a bad writer?!

SHURELY SHOME MISHTAKE


I already knew this but this thread has made me realize he is worse than I had thought. Too bad he didn't let his buddy John Milius rewrite it before he shot the movie.


This is why science has proved Empire is the best Star Wars. He had so little to do with it, its pretty much flawless.

Apart from the space worm

That MUST have been his idea lol

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#54 - 2014-06-02 00:43:34 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
... do you think the Rebel Alliance would have stood a chance?

If your answer is "Hell, no!!!" isn't that kind of sad?

Well, if that were the case, I guess not only would Han have shot first, but second, third and fourth just to make sure. Then Han would have looted Greddo, drug his dead corpse out into the street and tied him up to a light post. After burning the corpse there, he would have went to Greedo's POS, blowed it up, looted it and claimed SOV for himself. Then Han would have come to forums and totally bragged about it in which Greddo would be so severally humiliated he would have just ragequit Star Wars and went on back to do his dailies with his night elf mohawk.

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stoicfaux
#55 - 2014-06-02 00:58:45 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
... do you think the Rebel Alliance would have stood a chance?

If your answer is "Hell, no!!!" isn't that kind of sad?

Well, if that were the case, I guess not only would Han have shot first, but second, third and fourth just to make sure. Then Han would have looted Greddo, drug his dead corpse out into the street and tied him up to a light post. After burning the corpse there, he would have went to Greedo's POS, blowed it up, looted it and claimed SOV for himself. Then Han would have come to forums and totally bragged about it in which Greddo would be so severally humiliated he would have just ragequit Star Wars and went on back to do his dailies with his night elf mohawk.

Yes, but... given the EVE bounty mechanics, do you really think Greedo would have bothered being a Bounty Hunter?

I'm thinking that Greedo/Bobba Fett, et. al., would have instead been professional "Spai!"s in our hypothetical EVE Wars universe.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#56 - 2014-06-02 01:00:51 UTC
Han Solo didnt "shoot first"

You cannot shoot first when there is one shot

He instalocked and oneshot popped Greedo's ass

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#57 - 2014-06-02 01:44:15 UTC
Vader AWOXing Palpatine was predictably implausible.

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Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-06-02 01:50:34 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Oh fudge. Star Wars would have ended right after the opening battlescene. Remember when the C-3PO and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plans) hopped onto a life pod and ejected? And the Imperial gunner in charge of shooting life pods, said "no life signs. let it go?"

In EVE, the "no life signs" pod would have been podded regardless. End of movie. End of Star Wars. Cue the Imperial Blue Doughnut.

Wrong.

The droids would have set their clones to the med bays on Yavin. The Empire would have popped them, and the plans for the Death Star would have been instantly transmitted. That's why they didn't just blow the cruiser up or blow up the pod.

Wait... that means swapping the SW universe with the EVE universe makes the movie more plausible.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#59 - 2014-06-02 02:00:27 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Han Solo didnt "shoot first"

You cannot shoot first when there is one shot

He instalocked and oneshot popped Greedo's ass

yes yes I have pointed that out in these forums a number of times, even use an imgur. But in this case, Han shot first, second, third and fourth. So since there is technically more than one shot, there is a fist shot in this case.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#60 - 2014-06-02 02:02:41 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Wrong.

The droids would have set their clones to the med bays on Yavin. The Empire would have popped them, and the plans for the Death Star would have been instantly transmitted. That's why they didn't just blow the cruiser up or blow up the pod.

Wait... that means swapping the SW universe with the EVE universe makes the movie more plausible.

Lol Yes. At least assuming that droids have clones and that that those clones include optical media. However, it rather puts into question why the rebels didn't just strap a thermal detonator on R2 and punted him out an airlock.