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Jester is pulling the plug on his blog

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#241 - 2014-06-03 08:12:27 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If indeed it is the case that Jester managed to get Ero banned on a personal whim, then to be honest, I am mightily impressed.

It was the ultimate gank really, and Jester should be congratulated not damned for his action.

Of course, we all know that Ero got Ero banned.

The only thing he achieved was to push it underground.

The player is still playing and bonus rooms are still running.

There's just much less information on them now and much less warning material available to players that believe ISK doubling could be legit.

Not a great outcome really.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#242 - 2014-06-03 08:17:03 UTC
This thread is full of butt hurt Erotica/CODE groupies and alts, it's hilarious. Sad to see Jester's quitting (to some degree) but on the up side; taking a break and (partially) burning a few bridges is the best way to recuperate from a burn out. You can't ever quit EVE but it sure is wholesome to go cold turkey once in a while.

Just like pruning membership to get rid of the unwanted, having a good look at what you're actually (mostly out of habit) doing and getting rid of the activities that aren't giving you what you're looking for (or drain too much energy) is good.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#243 - 2014-06-03 08:29:34 UTC
Just great.

Now I have to find someone new to send the carebears to when they get upset that I blew up their mining barge after they get all angry and demand I replace their ship.

Before this I could just say "Ripard Teg handles all cases of bullying and will replace your ship and give you ISK, just contact him for replacement."

Now I have to find someone new to run my ship replacement program. Anyone up to the job?
Dave Stark
#244 - 2014-06-03 08:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Gregor Parud wrote:
This thread is full of butt hurt Erotica/CODE groupies and alts, it's hilarious.

considering it was the only noteworthy thing that he ever did; what else were we meant to discuss in a ripard thread?
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#245 - 2014-06-03 09:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Speedkermit Damo
Andski wrote:
His blog was awful anyway


Jester did a lot for the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners?

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Prince Kobol
#246 - 2014-06-03 09:27:37 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Andski wrote:
His blog was awful anyway


Jester did a lot the the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners?



What did he do?

Lots of people keep saying he was an ambassador or that he did lots for the EVE Player base but they never explain exactly what he did.

So please tell everybody, what did he do that helped / aided / enriched / Improved our game?
Dave Stark
#247 - 2014-06-03 09:38:13 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Andski wrote:
His blog was awful anyway


Jester did a lot the the EVE playerbase. What have you ever contributed apart from snide one-liners?



What did he do?

Lots of people keep saying he was an ambassador or that he did lots for the EVE Player base but they never explain exactly what he did.

So please tell everybody, what did he do that helped / aided / enriched / Improved our game?


he lowered the player count by at least 1 making it easier to get in/out of jita!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#248 - 2014-06-03 09:48:16 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
until ripard started the witch hunt, ccp seemed perfectly ok with what he was doing. E1 getting banned only happened because ripard kicked up a fuss about it. or conversely, it only took E1 that long to get banned because CCP didn't bother enforcing their own rules. whichever you'd rather.
it still remains that CCP knew exactly what E1 was doing, and let him carry on with it.
This. Many times over.

The suggestion that CCP was unaware, and Riptard brought it to their attention, which all the Riptard fanboys like to believe is nonsense. CCP knew and CCP intervened in some aspects, but always allowed the bonus rooms to continue. Then Ripard starts up a witch hunt, throwing around ludicrous accusations of torture, which even the victim himself disputes, and it forces CCP to step in to stop the bad press regardless of the facts. It's like when a celebrity is accused of a crime they didn't commit and they settle it out of court. They didn't do anything, but the bad press from the accusation alone would be more damaging.

In the same way, CCP did nothing for over a year, even when there's clear evidence of their involvement from GMs and even comments from a dev or two in threads. Clearly the only thing that made them act was Riptard making outrageous accusations and wildly publicising them while in a position of power. He abused his position to force CCP to take action against an individual he personally disliked. Disgusting.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#249 - 2014-06-03 10:10:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
until ripard started the witch hunt, ccp seemed perfectly ok with what he was doing. E1 getting banned only happened because ripard kicked up a fuss about it. or conversely, it only took E1 that long to get banned because CCP didn't bother enforcing their own rules. whichever you'd rather.
it still remains that CCP knew exactly what E1 was doing, and let him carry on with it.
This. Many times over.

The suggestion that CCP was unaware, and Riptard brought it to their attention, which all the Riptard fanboys like to believe is nonsense. CCP knew and CCP intervened in some aspects, but always allowed the bonus rooms to continue. Then Ripard starts up a witch hunt, throwing around ludicrous accusations of torture, which even the victim himself disputes, and it forces CCP to step in to stop the bad press regardless of the facts. It's like when a celebrity is accused of a crime they didn't commit and they settle it out of court. They didn't do anything, but the bad press from the accusation alone would be more damaging.

In the same way, CCP did nothing for over a year, even when there's clear evidence of their involvement from GMs and even comments from a dev or two in threads. Clearly the only thing that made them act was Riptard making outrageous accusations and wildly publicising them while in a position of power. He abused his position to force CCP to take action against an individual he personally disliked. Disgusting.


Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.

Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#250 - 2014-06-03 10:18:52 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.


Being deliberately obtuse just lets the rest of us know that you're losing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Marsha Mallow
#251 - 2014-06-03 10:22:03 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I hope everyone would love/hate me as much if I did start the Ramonamobile, as was suggested to me before

I'm thinking of starting a blog. Not to write anything, because I can't be bothered. I'll just stick up a space for people to post their sob stories then ask for their stuff. Title something like "EvE Counselling Service" with the tagline "Feel violated / harassed / emotional? GOOD. Stuff to me, there's the door". Then I can get people to yell to the Marshamobile.

Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
308 comments so far, of which 99% are positive. The closure of Jester's Trek has set a milestone of unconceivable agreement on something related to EVE. Lol

Of course the comments will be overwhelmingly positive on the blog. Even critics - if they are reasonable - don't particularly like to see players burn out and start restricting their interraction. Only the most petty will go on there and remark negatively. It's not 308 positive comments here though is it, and GD only represents a fraction of the playerbase. We know Ripard is popular based on his CSM election results. So is the Mittani & Gevlon to certain groups so not sure what that proves, other than that a variety of people can gain support regardless of their position.

Pay attention to this comment, it suggests Ripard managed to annoy some members of CCP in a similar way to people here. I wonder how.
Quote:
To the game developers, community members, and just flat folk at CCP, thank you! We didn't always agree and I know some of you don't like me, but everything I said was said out of love and respect for your game and your work.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#252 - 2014-06-03 10:27:12 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.

Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.
People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Prince Kobol
#253 - 2014-06-03 10:37:44 UTC
You see, I disliked what E1 was doing however it was plain to me that CCP were well aware of what was going on and were okay with it.

Most people who knew anything about E1 knew what he was doing.

It was nothing new.

The easiest way to deal with somebody like E1 is simply not to play his game. If nobody plays his game then it stops, it was that simple.

If people chose to play his game then more fool them.

Then comes along Riptard and uses his position on the CSM to create a carefully planned storm by making number of well over the top incendiary comments to maximised the outrage to get 1 person he did not like banned.

Whether you liked E1 or not, the fact is Riptard abused his position on the CSM to settle a personal vendetta. Some may say CCP didn't have to do anything to E1 but considering the amount of outrage being expressed and that it had appeared on a few external gaming news sites, CCP had no choice.

Riptard put CCP in a no win situation.

So yeah, boo hoo that somebody who abused his position on the CSM to get 1 person banned has stopped his crappy blog.


Dave Stark
#254 - 2014-06-03 10:39:27 UTC
it's apples and oranges.

you can't compare game development to enforcement of rules, the two simply don't marry up.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#255 - 2014-06-03 10:55:41 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.

Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.
People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two.


Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.
Prince Kobol
#256 - 2014-06-03 11:11:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Ok so Icarna happened and CCP fully well knew they weren't going to put effort into EVE itself for 18 months. According to your... logic the people who started raging and shooting monuments about it were the problem and we should have just let CCP (the lumbering, blind and mostly incompetent hulk) do as they wanted.

Never raise your voice people, your owners and leaders know what's best for you.
People raising their voice is one thing. A single member of the CSM abusing his position of power is another. Bear in mind that the incarna situation you are talking about involved thousands of players pushing for a change. The Riptard situation was a single CSM member stiring up the wrath of a bunch of his diehard followers, to eject a player he personally hated from the game. You need a basic education if you can't spot the distinction between the two.


Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.


Unfortunately we will never the full truth of what happened between Riptard and CCP in regards to E1 because of the NDA.

One can presume that he approached CCP and the CSM over the matter and both parties decided that no action was needed.

Riptard then in a fit of self importance decided that he would take matters in his own hand and started his personal crusade against to get 1 person banned knowing that at the time with his position on the CSM the blog would get more coverage then usual.

Of course he may of never approached CCP and the other CSM members over the matter but I do find that difficult to believe.

Either way the second he posted his blog it ceased to be a matter between CCP and the CSM.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#257 - 2014-06-03 11:13:49 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.


You have now switched from being deliberately obtuse to using considerable hyperbole.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#258 - 2014-06-03 11:14:41 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yes, CSM members have full control over what CCP does and thinks, also he's the only CSM member so he alone gets to say where CCP goes. There's not other CSM member who, if necessary, could oppose his position and at no point does CCP have the option to ignore what that single CSM member has to say.
Lol, seriously guy, is this what you are going with? Of course CSM members can disagree with CCP, but they have a direct line of communication with which to do so. What I haven't seen a surviving CSM member do is ignore all protocol and start hurling around wild accusations, making them as public as possible and getting all their little fanboys to jump up and down about. If he wanted CCP to act he should have stated his case to CCP, not forced them into action by publicly announcing from his position of power "CCP allows torture" and other completely absurd accusations.

Can you seriously not see the difference between what he did and what any other normal CSM member does when they disagree with CCP (you know, take it up directly with CCP)?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2014-06-03 11:26:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.

If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself.


I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned.

Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized.

Okay, yes, that part I can agree with.

If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted.


Most likely that if Ripard hadn't become involved, CCP would have brushed it all under the carpet. As is their habit.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

Prince Kobol
#260 - 2014-06-03 11:31:11 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No seriously though, stop pretending the E1 incident was all Ripard's doing.

If you want to blame someone for it, blame E1 himself.


I'm not pretending anything. Erotica 1 got himself banned.

Ripard, however, engaged in a completely unnecessary and purposeless witch hunt. Erotica had used quite enough rope to hang himself without Ripard going off and further embarrassing the other player, who ultimately admitted to not feeling all that victimized.

Okay, yes, that part I can agree with.

If it could have been handled with direct dialogue to GMs, that would have been preferable. I don't know if such a thing was attempted. I never did because I had no direct evidence, only information that other people had posted.


Most likely that if Ripard hadn't become involved, CCP would have brushed it all under the carpet. As is their habit.



How can CCP brush something which we already knew about under the carpet?

It wasn't like E1 was hiding what he was doing. Hell he was talking about in game, all over various forums, he even got kicked from his alliance because he was **** posting about what he was doing.

Lots of people knew a long time before Riptarg got all angry about it, it just most people couldn't care including CCP and the CSM.

So again I ask you, how can CCP sweep something which was already in the public domain under the carpet?