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NPC escorts for hire ?

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#141 - 2014-06-04 19:27:15 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Eve is essentially mad max in space


hmm...you have a point




DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#142 - 2014-06-04 21:46:27 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
what stops u from fighting back when ur PvE'ing?


My preferences. I rather be harvestiong planets, for example.

What did you say about CODE?

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#143 - 2014-06-04 22:18:23 UTC
so u think u should be exempt from PvP combat just because u dnt want to do it?

and u think this game was made for u?

DHuncan wrote:


So why don't I leave EvE if I am so unconfortable with my fellow companions of game? Because I know this game was made for me


Have u seen the eve FAQ? my signature is taken from there.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#144 - 2014-06-04 22:22:36 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
so u think u should be exempt from PvP combat just because u dnt want to do it?

and u think this game was made for u?

DHuncan wrote:


So why don't I leave EvE if I am so unconfortable with my fellow companions of game? Because I know this game was made for me


Have u seen the eve FAQ? my signature is taken from there.


Yes. And why you dont do planets? You suck at doing planets?

What did you say about CODE?

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#145 - 2014-06-04 23:28:02 UTC
i do planets, mining, missioning, exploration, faction warfare, manufacturing, research and other activities, and i suck at them all.

Most of the PvP in this game is non-consensual. That's the type of game it is. Maybe it wasn't made for u after all. Maybe CCP made it the way they wanted, where:
- The most powerful NPC's in the game have, by design, a delayed response time.
- Ganking is very much ok
- Scamming is very much ok
- Theft is very much ok
- Bumping is very much ok
- Exploitation (of players, not mechanics) is very much ok
- Wardecs are very much ok.
- Players are meant to be attacking each other in all areas of the game in many different ways.

and this game then attracted the kind of player looking for this ethos, this survival of the fittest arena.

No, NPC's should not fight for players. Wealth does not balance a game, and everyone will just use their own armies of NPC's to create a lag fest fleet. Having NPC's affect a PvP system like war decs will almost definitely end with players complaining NPC's are getting in the way of their PvP. A bit like this.

And the last time a CCP employee hinted at pay2win being a possibility the jita protest happened.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#146 - 2014-06-05 01:35:56 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
i do planets, mining, missioning, exploration, faction warfare, manufacturing, research and other activities, and i suck at them all.

Most of the PvP in this game is non-consensual. That's the type of game it is. Maybe it wasn't made for u after all. Maybe CCP made it the way they wanted, where:
- The most powerful NPC's in the game have, by design, a delayed response time.
- Ganking is very much ok
- Scamming is very much ok
- Theft is very much ok
- Bumping is very much ok
- Exploitation (of players, not mechanics) is very much ok
- Wardecs are very much ok.
- Players are meant to be attacking each other in all areas of the game in many different ways.

and this game then attracted the kind of player looking for this ethos, this survival of the fittest arena.

No, NPC's should not fight for players. Wealth does not balance a game, and everyone will just use their own armies of NPC's to create a lag fest fleet. Having NPC's affect a PvP system like war decs will almost definitely end with players complaining NPC's are getting in the way of their PvP. A bit like this.

And the last time a CCP employee hinted at pay2win being a possibility the jita protest happened.


I have to agree with almost all you say. All those bumpings and gankings are very much ok because of there should be not a 'game computer restriction' that stops people to do what in reality could be done. This is a good rule. But why then in a universe of so advanced technology renting machines are unrealistically prevented by a very ooc 'game restriction'. Does make no sense and cuts the virtuallity into a 'this is a game with rules and all you see are pixels' sort of deal. The inmersion into New Eden breakes, the atempt to live in space and build your way is there no more. Hm, then may be true is not a game made for me after all.

Why you say NPCs should not fight for players? What is the reason for that? What makes the diference betwen what I am asking and your POS has defenses that work when you are off line?

This post has evolved since the first comment. Wealth would not be the way to pay for what we propose but chits -a new kind of LPs made for hiring these machines. Do you believe all those weekend gankers and can flyppers would pile many chits?

How would NPCM (M for mercs) make EvE a worse game?

What did you say about CODE?

Malcolm Lionel
Lionel War Industries
Gooseflock Featheration
#147 - 2014-06-05 02:23:23 UTC
You should really find a good Corp. Players will escort you, often for free, if your even the least bit social.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#148 - 2014-06-05 03:27:59 UTC
Ppl will use them for attacking the players its meant to protect. whilst at the same time making lag even worse during large fleet fights. Basically in any situation where someone who has gone suspect should be vulnerable and, fairly, alone, he'll now have NPC pets as backers:

- if a frig warps into ur mission and steals ur mission objective, ur even more reluctant to shoot it because of his pets.
- Neut logi warps on grid during a war dec, ur even less likely to engage it because of his pets

and it most certainly will be used by gankers. Some gankers already use ISboxer, but this way they dnt need to pay for so many accounts, or they'll use both ISboxer and these to solo gank freighters. If u then say they only defend ppl who have been illegally attacked, then they also don't work during war decs, WH's or nullsec.

Beyond that i simply dislike the idea of NPC pets in eve. I like CCP's goals to make NPC's impact the game less and make everything more about the players.

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But why then in a universe of so advanced technology renting machines are unrealistically prevented by a very ooc 'game restriction'. Does make no sense and cuts the virtuallity into a 'this is a game with rules and all you see are pixels' sort of deal. The inmersion into New Eden breakes, the atempt to live in space and build your way is there no more. Hm, then may be true is not a game made for me after all.



the advanced tech of AI controlled ships flying along side u is drones, and the drone capabilities of a ship is balanced to that ship. Domi's have powerful AI drones, but without them they are quite weak. Where as this idea suggests to me, u can always hire the most powerful pets no matter what ur flying. So an inty that can bring drone like pets with battleship damage?

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What makes the diference betwen what I am asking and your POS has defenses that work when you are off line?


A POS can be attacked while ur logged off, away on holiday. Ur ship cannot.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#149 - 2014-06-05 04:22:00 UTC
Thank you. I apreciate the opinions. I'll strike back with a new plan... eventually Cool.

What did you say about CODE?

Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2014-06-05 16:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Daichi Yamato wrote:
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided

Actually, it's a lie, there are such places. They are called stations.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#151 - 2014-06-05 17:04:02 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided

Actually, it's a lie, there are such places. They are called stations.


We can still get you in there.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2014-06-06 18:36:27 UTC
If this thread is about NPC call girls: +1

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#153 - 2014-06-09 05:01:00 UTC
Kronos

The rise of pirates


The pirate factions watched closely as you defied Empire mandates, seized control of planetary trade, and took the law into your own hands when their justice system failed you. The crumbling control of the Empire factions is now readily apparent, and those that had once hid in the shadows now seek to challenge your claim to space. It is pilot versus pirate, with the universe as the ultimate prize.

What did you say about CODE?