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NPC escorts for hire ?

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#21 - 2014-06-01 04:05:38 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.

Absolutely, you have every right to play your corp independent or however you like. Smile

But because this game is actually designed to force you to interact or cooperate with other players then you're going to constantly come up against challenges to your play style.

One of those will be in lowsec.

Don't ask for the game to be changed to suit you, just learn to play your solo style better.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#22 - 2014-06-01 04:08:37 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:


And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire. Lol


Ah but your rates are too rich for me, and I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe *waves to Boba to close the storage door*

And we both know how it really works. If you want "escorts" you hire yourself. Why would I pay an NPC's to fail where I could PLEX alt accounts to p0wn?

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2014-06-01 04:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction.
Exactly. So hiring live-body mercs rather than some stale and predicable code is pretty much spot on for the theme.

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Mercenaries is a scam.
In what way? How is paying one party to protect you a scam, but paying another party to do so not?

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I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.
Who said you can't stay independent or have to sell out? All anyone is saying is that what you're asking for is already in the game, and CCP is not likely to steal a job players can do and give it to NPCs.

You pay people so they can play the game as they like it and you can play it as you like it. Everyone wins.
DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#24 - 2014-06-01 04:17:58 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.

Absolutely, you have every right to play your corp independent or however you like. Smile

But because this game is actually designed to force you to interact or cooperate with other players then you're going to constantly come up against challenges to your play style.

One of those will be in lowsec.

Don't ask for the game to be changed to suit you, just learn to play your solo style better.



I am not talking about low sec or high sec. This days low sec is as safe if not more than some places in high sec. I am talking about ballancing the game specially in wars. I am not thinking nor I will like the idea of NPCs conquering sovernity for me.

Also is not about learning. I am proud of being a not-so-bad player. But we all come to ideas we think can improve the game not just for me. I know cooperation as I am part of a corporation based preciselly on that, I am talking about dont let the big mass to take over everything.

What did you say about CODE?

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#25 - 2014-06-01 04:25:49 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:


And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire. Lol


Ah but your rates are too rich for me, and I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe *waves to Boba to close the storage door*

And we both know how it really works. If you want "escorts" you hire yourself. Why would I pay an NPC's to fail where I could PLEX alt accounts to p0wn?

Never not dual box Big smile

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

DHuncan
Long John Silver.
#26 - 2014-06-01 04:26:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction.
Exactly. So hiring live-body mercs rather than some stale and predicable code is pretty much spot on for the theme.

Quote:
Mercenaries is a scam.
In what way? How is paying one party to protect you a scam, but paying another party to do so not?

Quote:
I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.
Who said you can't stay independent or have to sell out? All anyone is saying is that what you're asking for is already in the game, and CCP is not likely to steal a job players can do and give it to NPCs.

You pay people so they can play the game as they like it and you can play it as you like it. Everyone wins.


Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. NPCs dont have that choice to make they simply would fight to the end -unless bug or game broken-. Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.

Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'

Predictable or not NPC drop dps, ecms, energy vampyres... predictable or not may ballance an unballanced battlefield.

And using the word 'steal' is manipulative.

What did you say about CODE?

Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2014-06-01 04:43:44 UTC
DHuncan wrote:


Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. NPCs dont have that choice to make they simply would fight to the end -unless bug or game broken-. Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.

Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'

Predictable or not NPC drop dps, ecms, energy vampyres... predictable or not may ballance an unballanced battlefield.

And using the word 'steal' is manipulative.


If NPC's are available for hire & they are worth anything, the corp with the biggest pockets would win. Larger corps tend to have more resources available to begin with, so it would make them even more dominant.

In some far distant future, where the entire background universe is simulated, and the AI can make player like decisions (such as to betray an employer in the middle of a battle, or declare war on a corp on their own), such a thing might be doable.

In this game, now, it's not. It would just result in more entrenched power than currently exists.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-06-01 04:53:09 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try.
So do your homework and hire some proper mercs.

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Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.
I'm not. I'm saying that you're dismissing an option out of hand based on nothing but (unsupported) assumptions and probabilities. Since you just said that I know this game better than anyone, let me tell you this: there are plenty of merc corps that will do what you pay them to do.

And let's not forget, NPCs will either just be fodder and not protect you, or they will be used to nuke you even harder than before.

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Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'
Nope. The science fiction part is where you hire space mercenaries to keep your space business space-safe.

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And using the word 'steal' is manipulative.
No. It is a very apt description of what you're describing: stealing business from honest corporations and giving it to NPCs, for no other reason as far as I can see than that you're having some trust issues. It's the reason why a lot of things have not been given any kind of NPC service even though it actually would be simple to implement, unlike what you're suggesting.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#29 - 2014-06-01 05:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
So you want to hire NPCs so you can go kick someone else's butt.

Im sure you'd be all for equity in the hiring of NPCs, which could just result in the other Corp hiring their own NPCs too.

So players and NPCs against players and NPCs; and NPCs have a difficult time kicking anyone's butt.

In the end I think this would just reduce to the current situation of players against players. If you want to take on a numerically superior opponent, you either need better support, force multipliers or more numbers.

Because NPC hire would be open to anyone, this feature wouldn't solve your problem. For the ISK, hiring players would gain you much more capability than AI provides.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#30 - 2014-06-01 05:42:25 UTC
And then what would only be fair is for your NPC's to hire NPC's. Of course then you would need to pay the NPC's more.. to pay the NPC's and the NPC's that those NPC's hire Idea Why not just take out the whole combat thing and replace it with an ISK coin slot? So player ship initiates "battle" with another player, drops some ISK into the slot. Then your turn you need to match or beat whatever amount of ISK he put in. Then you keep doing this until someone runs out of ISK or manages to escape (if they have enough for the ISK fee to escape). But if you don't escape, you are automatically sent to your cloning facility when you loose. This way we don't have huge NPC blob wars filling every star system.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#31 - 2014-06-01 07:04:58 UTC
NPC escorts for hire...

Already exists, they're called drones.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-06-01 07:29:13 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
This days low sec is as safe if not more than some places in high sec.

Try doing the same things in lowsec (or nullsec) that you do in highsec without changing any of your habits and see how long you last.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#33 - 2014-06-01 07:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction. What I am asking is pretty sensitive and according to that. How many people doesnt even know about all can be done "becasue thats for carebears"? Really 50 smashing 6 is all you can get out of it? Mercenaries is a scam. I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.


Completely agree with you, NPC or AI should be a big part of any sci-fi Universe, especially MMO. Capsuleers aren't even taking up 0,1 % of the entire population of New Eden anyways. Many things just can't be done involving the players only... it would just end up being boring and wouldn't make sense. There s a right step in the next direction with the teams though which brings some parts of the lore and goes in tact with the EVE Universe more. More things like this will definitely make things much more dynamic and fun, it won't ruin anything cause players will always control the main systems of the things anyways. It just all needs the underlaying activity and life that is in the end happening all around us, we just don't see it enough. Anyway we really don't control entire market everywhere, we just control what we sell or make and that is just a part of the market even if the scale that we live in is large. Within the EVE Universe, the markets work kind of differently, are run by anyone, including capsuleers ...
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#34 - 2014-06-01 08:04:31 UTC
As much as people seem to hate the idea, they are missing the possibilities.

Letting normally Highsec Indys and Freighters hire NPCs only leads them into a false sense of security, the "NPC Escort" would be easy pickings for most groups and would allow more people to try and travel into dangerous areas.

People seem to hate on PVE, but fail to realize that, if done right, PVE can be used to create PVP encounters.

Plus lets be honest, finding a honest player merc in Eve, is like finding a virgin after prom night. Yeah there maybe a few, but there is a reason for that.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#35 - 2014-06-01 08:15:59 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Plus lets be honest, finding a honest player merc in Eve, is like finding a virgin after prom night. Yeah there maybe a few, but there is a reason for that.
Lack of space Pimps Ugh

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-06-01 08:25:46 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Unless the NPCs were CONCORD, Officer battleships or sleeper drones they'd be pretty much useless against players anyway. Even IF they weren't I really don't understand why you'd want the Devs to redesign so much of the game (yes I've seen your other thread) just so you could solo in lowsec with your NPC fleet. Sounds like you'd prefer to play EVE Offline.

Seriously, get involved with an active PVP corp that lives there instead. You won't look back.

And no Webby, this lil body ain't for hire. Lol



You think people dont pvp because they never tried or because they are bad. You cannot get some people dont play eve tfor the combat part of it.

it's possible but difficult. Eve is built around ship to ship combat.

If you want to play Eve evading direct combat you'd better prepare to tough times....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-06-01 08:31:46 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
DHuncan wrote:
EvE is a universo of living science fiction.
Exactly. So hiring live-body mercs rather than some stale and predicable code is pretty much spot on for the theme.

Quote:
Mercenaries is a scam.
In what way? How is paying one party to protect you a scam, but paying another party to do so not?

Quote:
I have all my right to declare my corporation independent of all I dont want to associate with and use the technology and priviledges gained by working missions to be as strong as I deserve without selling my soul to punks. I will not play the game the way you like but the way I want.
Who said you can't stay independent or have to sell out? All anyone is saying is that what you're asking for is already in the game, and CCP is not likely to steal a job players can do and give it to NPCs.

You pay people so they can play the game as they like it and you can play it as you like it. Everyone wins.


Mercenaries are not payed for winning the war for me. Once got the isk I you have not garantee they will do their best... or even try. NPCs dont have that choice to make they simply would fight to the end -unless bug or game broken-. Mercenaries live out of war, they want wars to happen, they are -most probably- in the same side as the ones who declares war. Even wars are declared to run mercenary bussines. That's how is a scam. You know this game better than anyone, dont play dumb to me.

Living scinece fiction yes, but you only read the part 'living' and forgot the part 'science fiction'

Predictable or not NPC drop dps, ecms, energy vampyres... predictable or not may ballance an unballanced battlefield.

And using the word 'steal' is manipulative.


So you basically want NPCs to babysit you because you are bad at the game, this is a sandbox not a themepark. Everyone is put in the world and is equal, if you can't deal with the world you shouldn't be given NPC protection just because you are a weak link.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#38 - 2014-06-01 08:45:31 UTC
I for one welcome our new npc overlords
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#39 - 2014-06-01 08:51:10 UTC
DHuncan wrote:


I suggest CCP implements the chance of hiring NPC ships for isk.... and kick those bullies arses....


You know how you can cut through hundreds and hundreds of NPCs, but if you try that same thing with just 5 other players... even just a dozen week-old noobs... you get really dead, really fast?

Yeah.... I have some really bad news for you, mate.... those NPC's are going to be really expensive speed bumps on the way to your killmail. And not even very effective ones, either.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#40 - 2014-06-01 11:55:36 UTC
DHuncan wrote:
I am allowed to use drones and they are AI. It is possible and many's worst nightmare.


Who is having nightmares about drones? :)

Unless you're in a dedicated drone ship using T2 drones they aren't really much of a threat, NPC's are too weak to be anything more than cannon fodder for someone trying to kill you and they will just ignore the NPC's altogether and kill you, this suggestion wont work at all from a logical standpoint, only players can defend players :)

You'll either have to accept that you really need a group to be super effective at EVE or get over your trust issues :P