EVE General Discussion

While we're on the subject of quoting....

Valor is of no service, chance rules all, and the bravest often fall by the hands of cowards.
~Tacitus

Risk aversion pervades all of EVE. High, low, nul, wh, all of it. There are many factors at play here, not the least of which are hubris, experience, cynicism, underlying attitude, and pride. Personally, I come out to fight whenever possible. The older players tend to run away and hide from me more than the newer ones, unless they have reams of backup and a confirmed victory before trying anything. We, at RIGID, have ways of making things look like victory is more confirmed than it is for players like that, which often results in flying spittle and a long list of excuses.

Here's what I know: there is a trend, that I have witnessed, and observed closely, over the two years that I have played this game. New players that haven't yet been enthralled by the captive embrace of some highsec scrublord with a mining corp who just wants to extort taxes out of other players will usually be more willing to try their hand at exciting PVP than older players who just assume everything is a trap. This is not entirely unjustified, however, I assure you that in doing so, they are missing out on many a good fight. I fought a Myrmidon today with a wartarget that wanted to 1v1 me. I had no idea he was bringing a Myrmidon, I prepared for a possible trap by having alliance friends standing by and camping his only escape if he tried anything silly, and I waited for him on the sun in my Ishkur. When he landed, I can't say I didn't **** myself a little, but I fought him anyway.

He, along with a few other wartargets, have been joining us in our public channel, where we've been giving them PVP and fitting tips to perform better. As a result, they may become interested in joining us. They may not. At the very least, they are demonstrating a keen enthusiasm for PVP the likes of which I rarely see from vets. The Myrmidon pilot is a 2014 toon, by the way, and already knew enough to go after my drones, and give me one helluva fight. I admit, there were a few moments in that fight where I thought he'd kill me. And I didn't care, because the fight itself was fracking awesome.

And I think that's the crux of the issue, really - when did people stop enjoying the fight?

At the end of the day, however, I don't see this "No Fight" culture you're talking about. I see people who don't want to fight, and I see people who do. I can still shoot and kill either one of them.

Edit: I wanted to emphasise, above, for clarity, that older players tend to avoid fighting more, as I am aware that there are many older players who still enjoy the fight

We wardecced an alliance that moved into our lowsec recently just so we could shoot them in frigs and dessies without taking sentries :p

I **** you not, you can go into a system that they're in IN A POD and they all dock up quick smart. I tested it today, sat in the system they like to run missions from right on the undock in a pod. The moment I'd entered system, there were three Navy Vexor's on Dscan. A few moments later, they were gone. I docked, and they were in station. I undocked, in my pod, and sat there for almost an hour, and not one of them came out.

Then I got bored, found a wormhole in there to Caldari lowsec, and went and killed a Caracal, which marked my 500th kill in EVE :p

Yeah it's not like you'll get a hold of me when I'm 50km away.
And the best part were people thinking that shipping up will help,
ignoring that they can't lock me in time during my drive by shooting.

I really need to skill for this again.

I don't see your point. You won't land exactly where I am... it's incredibly unlikely.

And I'm almost -10 so CONCORD won't bug you.

I can't fly my long range thrasher yet... but yet, how about a fight about 50Mill? (:

Frigate vs Frigate?
Destroyer vs Destroyer?
Interceptors?

Pick one and let's find a time ingame.

No idea when that is. I hate waiting. I'll add you and we'll figure it out.


Frigates are fine for me. Maybe you'd actually learn to even enjoy my presence. ;)

What is going on in here still?

I want to actually respond to the original point quickly, if that's okay...
The risk-averse nature of the pilots in EVE is a consequence of our nerdy, geeky personalities. We are playing a science fiction online roleplaying game. *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Thread temporarily locked to clean it.
The goat is understandably a bit unwilling to be sacrificed, so please be patient.

Ezwal wipes goat blood from hands.

Right, where were we....oh yes:

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Thread reopened.

My 13 page threadnaught has been snipped into 5 pages /0\




At any rate it was fun, and Sibyyl showed more backbone then, well... I don't want the ISD to remove this post too. You all know who you are

I still dont accept that backbone equates to agreeing to a fight you cant win

Stealth E-honor thread is not actually stealthy, for it is in fact not a stealth E-honor thread. It is about courage under fire, putting your money where your mouth is and following through with what you say you will do.


BTW, your "game relevance" amounts to not even a blip on my radar.
Not everyone wants to help a certain someone in a wizards hat maintain his RMT business.




That wasn't a personal attack! I didn't name names!