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Why the Federation must be destroyed

Author
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-30 15:17:41 UTC
Continue from this Heneacaenea, Targalion

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
The Gallentean Hegemon?
You seem to invest us with such power, sadly perhaps more than we have.

I'm happy to take that assessment however. If it means less of people like you, then bring on Federate unipolarity!

I think the worst thing for you, perhaps, is that you fascinate so much upon killing so many people as if that will bring you closer to your goal of destroying my way of life. While such massacres without reason are horrific, they are perhaps the least effective thing you could do.

I am just a soldier of the State, and I kill enemies of the State, bearers of idea, that can destroy our society, or degrade it to the level of gallentean society. I protect Caldari and our State from destructive elements like you.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

The Federation is an idea, any first grade politics student knows that. It is the concept of freedom, individuality, and democracy. All of which are good ideas that can never be killed. They will always come back, they will always fight back. It's lucky that you are an immortal, Diana dear, because your dreams will require the end of this universe to come to fruition.

And this is the problem. The Federation is built on gallentean filthy ideas of democracy, freedom and individuality. Gallentean propaganda teaches you all of them are good, they poison and spoil your brain with media, where each of these ideas as represented as good. They make you consider them good, don't giving you chance to think and analyze yourself, to see the dangers and destructive consequences of each of these filthy ideas.
You are simply brainwashed to believe that these ideas are good.

If you destroy those, who brainwash peoples, if you destroy the media, if you block not just advertisements and gallentean politicians, but even recreational media, that is soaked with these ideals like soapy sponge, where each gallentean "good" hero proclaims at least one of these ideals (in most cases however most of them), if you quarantine all this filth in closed communities, and don't let them infect and spoil healthy thinking minds, then the Federation as the idea will die.

Proper education, removal of these ideas from media, showing students not only good sides, but bad sides of these ideas, will allow them to see greater picture and take decision themselves, where such ideas should be followed or not, this will be the end of the Federation.

However, currently the Federation is represented not just like a bunch of ideas, but as a gallentean hegemony, a political entity, that follows desires of gallenteans, disregarding others.
It is a criminal regime, run by gallentean war criminals.. It is a regime, that condones racism, occupation and submission of other cultures, while claiming counterwise. It is a regime, that on other hand screams about freedom, and with other hand tries to bend others to their will with force.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

So come, try as hard as you may. Slaughter innocents, invade Gallente Prime, destroy the Senate and assassinate the President.

I don't slaughter innocents.
I slaughter criminals, who serve criminal gallentean hegemony. Because only this dedication to these antihuman ideas and war criminals warrants death.

As for the Senate and President himself... no, they shouldn't be just killed. They must be put under tribunal to answer to peoples for all the crimes they have committed. And, I hope, they will be executed before public only for that racist and genocidal "Operation Highlander", that violated all norms of warfare. It is gallenteans, who slaughter Caldari civilians.
Caldari kill only gallenteans, who commit crimes against Caldari, the State and humanity.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

Wipe out every single trace of Gallentean DNA.

No, there is a better idea. If we let Gallenteans live, if we quarantine them in small blockaded worlds, where they can do whatever they wish with their democracy, individualism, hedonism and other filth, we can use them as zoo, to show our citizens how this filth lives, so nobody else will repeat gallentean mistakes and follow these disgusting ideals.

Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

You still won't win.

So again, our answer is no. The Federation must not be destroyed, because its soul cannot be.

Especially not by you.

We will see about that. We will see, what you say, when your face will be stomped down to dirt by Caldari boot, when your hands will be cuffed and you will be read your rights. When you will be dragged into cell, and when you will be judged.

The soul of the Federation is the evil in its purest form. This soul, that promotes democracy against rule of merited; this soul, that promotes individualism against collectivism; this soul, that promotes freedom against the law and order; and the soul, that promotes hedonism and self-pleasure instead of work for common good; this soul is the worst thing that the Maker could bring upon us.

Gallenteans were the bane of our existence since we first met them. This is the hardest of trials, that Winds gave our people.

But we will succeed. And we will deliver ourselves from humiliation of Gallentean influence.
Because we are Caldari.
Because we are humans.
And because we are higher than this.

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-05-30 15:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Confident in his message, he proclaims it directly and openly to the world.

Maybe I am not a prophet, but I have a direct and open message to the world.

THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED.

You know, the Federation owes people like you a debt of gratitude. Without an external threat the Federation would likely have destroyed itself by now. Thank you for your service, and for keeping the Federation alive. o7

I believe in counterwise:
The Federation destroys itself indeed, but it is doing this by attacking us.

Gallenteans started genocide attacks on the Caldari, and we stood firm and pushed them away from our planet.
Five years past, they are doing it again, and, believe me, soon we will strike them again.
Harder this time. Hard enough so gallenteans won't be able to raise ever again.

Because you have chosen poorly, when you have picked us as a target for your racism and oppression.
Caldari spirit was forged by Cold wind, and neither gallentean rotten ideals, nor gallentean weapons can crush it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-05-30 15:29:42 UTC
I think I speak for all the Caldari here when I apologise for the existence of this idiot and disavow any fellow-feeling or shared philosophy.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-30 15:37:33 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I think I speak for all the Caldari here...

You have lost your right to speak even for one Caldari, whom you were, after you became a traitor.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#5 - 2014-05-30 15:40:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I think I speak for all the Caldari here...

You have lost your right to speak even for one Caldari, whom you were, after you became a traitor.


All but one, Captain.
Not a perfect score, but I'd say you're ahead.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#6 - 2014-05-30 15:45:03 UTC
I think I speak for all the Caldari here when I say Verin is more representative of us than you are, dear. It does speak volumes when I can say that confidently about someone surrounding himself with such questionable company.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-30 15:54:27 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I think I speak for all the Caldari here when I say Verin is more representative of us than you are, dear. It does speak volumes when I can say that confidently about someone surrounding himself with such questionable company.

And again, you would probably speak about small group of dissidents, who were loudmouthing Caldari leader and hero, evading service to the State and insulting Caldari soldiers on forum.
Unfortunately, there are quite large numbers of such outcasts among capsuleers, some of them even serve the Federation, but it is a consequence of mistakes in capsuleer program.

Maybe if you would serve at least a year for the State, I would consider you as a citizen, and have payed respect to your words, but otherwise...
Nope. Im sorry...

"Anti-slaver"... "Pro-republic"... Heh.
After serving such corporation, I would easily add "Anti-Caldari" to the traits.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#8 - 2014-05-30 15:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurentis Thiesant
Diana Kim wrote:
Continue from this Heneacaenea, Targalion


Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

So come, try as hard as you may. Slaughter innocents, invade Gallente Prime, destroy the Senate and assassinate the President.

I don't slaughter innocents.
I slaughter criminals, who serve criminal gallentean hegemony. Because only this dedication to these antihuman ideas and war criminals warrants death.

As for the Senate and President himself... no, they shouldn't be just killed. They must be put under tribunal to answer to peoples for all the crimes they have committed. And, I hope, they will be executed before public only for that racist and genocidal "Operation Highlander", that violated all norms of warfare. It is gallenteans, who slaughter Caldari civilians.
Caldari kill only gallenteans, who commit crimes against Caldari, the State and humanity.


Laurentis Thiesant wrote:

You still won't win.

So again, our answer is no. The Federation must not be destroyed, because its soul cannot be.

Especially not by you.

We will see about that. We will see, what you say, when your face will be stomped down to dirt by Caldari boot, when your hands will be cuffed and you will be read your rights. When you will be dragged into cell, and when you will be judged.


Let us cut right to it, yes?
You believe that I am guilty of these crimes, that I have a direct criminal responsibility under the law worthy of such mistreatment and incarceration?

Prove it.

I am willing to submit myself for trial on the things you have mentioned above. I am willing to be judged by a fair and reasonable tribunal of the legitimate Caldari State under the Chief Executive Panel.

I am willing to do so on the very same day that you do too.

This is it Diana, will you go in, or will you fold at the thought of facing Lady Justice?

Oh, and err, if anyone has any expertise in State law and wants to represent me, I'll be happy to hear from you.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2014-05-30 16:00:27 UTC
I think I speak for all Caldari here when I say this meme is going to get tired, fast.

But I third Hakatain-haan, or second Otsito-haani, or would serve as second for-- er.

Moving on. I need coffee.

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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-30 16:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Last I checked, Pilot Thiesant, merely being an enemy combatant is not in fact a crime under State and Region law, nor under any megacorporate law, unless you already held State or megacorporate citizenship and did not formally renounce it.

One thing we held onto from the days when we co-founded the Federation was a large chunk of its legal code, especially with regards to property law and criminal prosecution. There was scarcely time to write a new one from whole cloth and in any case, it's a good one.

Meritocrats don't throw away good ideas over something as petty as who wrote that idea. You only throw away a good idea when you encounter a better one.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#11 - 2014-05-30 16:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurentis Thiesant
Stitcher wrote:
Last I checked, Pilot Thiesant, merely being an enemy combatant is not in fact a crime under State and Region law, nor under any megacorporate law, unless you already held State or megacorporate citizenship and did not formally renounce it.


Captain, I'm not even that. I don't serve in the Defence Union. Yet, it has been alleged that there is something that I should be arrested and 'judged' for.

I'm tired of the rhetoric. Now, that's odd for a Gallentean who has an interest in politics, but when it's done so poorly one has to do whatever they can to make it stop. If there's a case to be made suggesting I have a direct criminal link to what Diana thinks I do, then I'm happy to let it be prosecuted, as I'm sure Diana would as to her own crimes if she believes in the Caldari State as a responsible, modern, nation of laws.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-05-30 16:13:30 UTC
...Yeah, I think anybody who took you to trial for the "crime" of being a citizen of the Federation would wind up with it coming back on them in the form of a contempt charge. "Wasting the court's time" I think it's called.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#13 - 2014-05-30 16:14:17 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
...Yeah, I think anybody who took you to trial for the "crime" of being a citizen of the Federation would wind up with it coming back on them in the form of a contempt charge. "Wasting the court's time" I think it's called.


Here's hoping.
Nuona
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-30 16:47:15 UTC
I don't have the raw figures in front of me, but wiping out a significant segment of the consumer base who buy State-produced commodities doesn't sound like it would be healthy for our people.

Our tech has high value all over the cluster, including the Federation. The State benefits not only financially, but strategically, through the legitimization of our ideals as they are 'baked-in' to the materiel that we supply.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2014-05-30 16:56:19 UTC
Nuona wrote:
I don't have the raw figures in front of me, but wiping out a significant segment of the consumer base who buy State-produced commodities doesn't sound like it would be healthy for our people.

Our tech has high value all over the cluster, including the Federation. The State benefits not only financially, but strategically, through the legitimization of our ideals as they are 'baked-in' to the materiel that we supply.

Not to mention the upset in power balance, which I'm sure some unaffiliated powers wondering the cluster would take advantage of.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2014-05-30 17:01:04 UTC
Doesn't matter, does it? After all, Sobaseki didn't found this State on the principle of destroying the Federation, simply on the principle of getting it to leave us alone.

We're about 55% of the way there, if you discount the Forever War. It's slow work, but we're making progress. In the meantime I don't really care what ideas the Federation was founded on, so long as they keep them to themselves. Not that they don't deserve a trial in the great Marketplace of Ideas, it's just that we already weighed them and found a number of them wanting.

Perhaps we should worry more about reforming and making our State more Caldari and worry less about changing other people to suit us - it's never really been a workable policy. Let's leave that to the Amarr.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#17 - 2014-05-30 17:03:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Let's leave that to the Amarr.



ZING

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Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
#18 - 2014-05-30 17:19:51 UTC
I think this may have come off as easier to read if you didn't make your reasoning all drawn out. For instance, this is why I think the Empire should be destroyed:

1. They all look like grumpy old men/women.
2. Their space is too big.
3. I think the Punisher is an ugly ship.
4. I don't like them.
5. They use lasers when everyone knows that projectile weapons are better.
6. They enslaved my people.
7. They don't know how to throw real parties.

I don't agree with you, Ms. Kim, as I'm obliged to like the Federation, but I admire your undaunting resolve in wanting to let it be known that the Federation should be destroyed.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-05-30 17:37:14 UTC
Every time Diana Kim opens her mouth, she further alienates the very people she's trying to proselytize to. Nothing anyone could say about her would ever be as damaging as her being allowed to express herself unhindered.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#20 - 2014-05-30 17:43:01 UTC
I hate reducing other people to mere stereotypes but I'm worried, Miss Kim, that you're falling squarely into "psychopathic planned-genocidal warmonger" descriptor. Your evidence of higher thought keeps getting swept under the rug when you let your fantasies of grandeur and mass murder overcome your senses. That being said, it is a statistic impossibility that every single Federation citizen is bad for the State.

Please quit while you're ahead. You don't have the support of your fellow Caldari outside of the crews you command and though I forgive you for being a lost, desperate woman it's getting to the point where seeing these posts is embarrassing.

I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.

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