Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently hi sec wars are just a bunch of griefers in a corp that only consists of PvP oriented ships and characters war deccing everything in sight that is an easy target, so they have some targets to gank. Cowardly keeping all their own logi and income out of the warring corp, making it pretty much risk free to declare the war.

Would like to see some changes so wars were more like wars and not just ganking / griefing.

*EDIT* Have changed a very important part below to bold, It is of course only illegal engagements that should get get the logi concorded, a logi aiding a ship where the pilot has the right to engage in the battle, should of course not get concorded.

1: Concord any logi ship that does not have the right to engage in the battle. If I don't want to fit a scrambler to my ship, I can't just bring a a safe out of war alt ship and scramble with that, it will get concorded. If I don't want to fit neuts, I can't just bring a safe out of war alt ship full of neuts and neut with that, it will get concorded. Why can I bring a safe out of war repair ship and repair with that if I don't want to fit repair? (and sensor boost me, and give me all the cap I can use).

When the logi ships don't have to be in the warring corp, they are safe to fly around and easy to just have floating around in the system - well hidden from the other party in the war by their anonymous NPC corp, and protected by concord, ready to warp in and assist you when you engage targets.

This change will add a bit of risk to declaring a war by forcing the logis into the warring corp, as well as make it easier to defend yourself from a war dec by knowing the enemy.

Don't come and whine the "ohh but I am logi, I wouldn't know if I could rep a ship without getting Concorded" excuse, it is not true, your Safety will prevent you get concorded unaware.

2: Make a deposit of 100mill the war deccing corp has to place in order to declare the war, this deposit goes to the winner of the war. The war dec is no longer risk free for the griefers. And there is some penalty for just quitting your corp if you accidentally dec someone who can fight back. If the war deccing corp fails to force a surrender from the target and simply stop paying the bills - they loose the war.

100 mill is nothing for a real war, and possible way too little since the war deccer of course are still hiding their assets like PoS, haulers and miners outside corp. But I think it will be a significant amount to prevent griefers from just randomly war dec 10 new small industrial corps a week to have some helpless targets to blow up to pad their killboard.

If you just want an environment where you can blow up anything you come across, its not Hi sec, it is low sec. But that of course puts your out of corp logis at risk ...

I pretty much agree with everything you've said although considering the responses to past suggestions of this ilk it's unlikely to be popular

Come with some arguments and don't just troll.

How does point 1 break incursions?

Wardecs are trivially easy to avoid.

You don't get to talk about nerfing any part of them, until the dec dodging exploit is fixed.

You should probably read up on what CCP considers "greif play"..

In case you don't get it the first several times through ...



(emphasis added)

Now that we've cleared up that hisec deccers aren't "greifers" ... it's entirely your fault that you are ill-equipped to handle an incoming wardec. You should train some gunboat skills.

On to your points:

1. Soon as a logiboat shows up and starts helping one side or the other, they're considered combatants in the war. Kill them.
2. This is just bad.

"hidden"?

Lol.

If you see a bunch of war targets right next to a bunch of logi ships, you, as a thinking, reasoning adult, should be able to put two and two together.

L2Intel.

Well aware it isn't punishable as grief play under CCP rules, but that doesn't change that those people are not after a war, but only out to grief people.

Wrong. Because what they are doing is legitimate gameplay, not griefing. By definition.

It's not griefing. CCP themselves say so. As has been demonstrated to you.

And yet you continue to misuse the term, and apply in situations where it does not apply.

There is no illegal engagement there, why would anyone get concorded? The Logi has valid engagement with all targets.

The scrammer and neuter from my example would also not get concorded in this scenario.

If this context is too hard to see out of the example, I shall go make it more clear in the original post.

*EDIT* It was actually already there, have put it in bold and added extra explanation. More EDIT, fixed the quotation I had messed up.