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Patch note wording wrong? Or did i just waste a bunch of training?

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Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-05-30 04:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone
2nd Edit:
Looks like CCP updated the dev blog a couple hours after this thread went up so that's something

Quote:
We have updated the thread with the latest information, namely changes to the range and tracking of combat drones and changes to the plan for converting skills on patch day. This blog is now fully up to date as of May 30, 2014.

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Edit: To address the rage and misunderstandings let me clarity some things

1. I have trained both skills on this character
2. I have several alts training the drone things specifically for this release/changes
3. I have a new player friend who has now wasted 4-5days of training time (remember when this was important to you to?) due to my recommendation

I am frustrated that despite my efforts to stay informed ( I read Eve reddit, mittani every day and the eve forums fairly often, including all eve news articles and dev posts) i am missing important information because CCP did not update the original dev blog or post a new news article (as they often do). I believe that if they make a change that involves something important like skills it needs to be a little more visible then being one or two posts in a 20page thread.

I also think its unreasonable to expect that if a player wants to stay informed they have to read every dev posts on the forums every day. Changes to the game are put in big articles and put in your face on the launcher for a reason.




So as a good little eve player i always read dev blogs and watch all fanfest videos. When i saw that combat drone operation would be split i immediately started training all my characters to Combat Drone V

Quote:
We are also splitting the current Combat Drone Operation skill into two new skills, Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation. This means that all light combat drones will now be unlocked and bonused from the Light Drone Operation skill, and medium combat drones will be unlocked and bonused from the Medium Drone Operation skill. During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to.


Today i read through the patch notes and saw this. Apparently, what i actually should have done was train scout drone operation V so that all my characters would have that in conjunction with getting all the stuff training combat drone operation V was going to give me.

Quote:
To make this transition possible, we are giving all players who had either Scout Drone Operation OR Combat Operation before this patch both Light and Medium Combat Drone Operation skills. We will set the level of Light and Medium Combat Drone Operation skills to the level of your Scout Drone Operation skill before the patch OR to the level of your Combat Drone Operation skill before the patch based on which was highest.


Is there a reason CCP changed this without letting us know? Im looking at my skill training right now and with +5's its going to take 5days 1hr to train scout drone operation V and most of my alts are longer then that and won't make it by patch day. Is CCP going to give everyone scout drone operation V also if they had trained Combat drone?

Just looking for some clarification

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-05-30 05:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Riyria Twinpeaks
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-05-30 05:06:36 UTC
We have like ten ******* threads about this, holy ****.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-05-30 05:09:33 UTC
Also: if you got combat drone operation V you will get the two new light and medium drone skills at V even without scout drone operation V. Just as mentioned in your quote, btw.
Elzira Kore
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-05-30 05:10:03 UTC
The correction to the text in the devblog was posted not long after the devblog itself. The new situation has been discussed at length in various places for weeks now, so it's not quite the lightning bolt on a clear sky that you think it is.

Also: Are devblogs really set-in-stone guarantees that will never be changed?
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#6 - 2014-05-30 05:15:11 UTC
Elzira Kore wrote:


Also: Are devblogs really set-in-stone guarantees that will never be changed?


Not by a long shot.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2014-05-30 05:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Elzira Kore wrote:
Also: Are devblogs really set-in-stone guarantees that will never be changed?

I doubt this will be the last such thread over the next few days, so it would have been good if the devblog had actually been changed.

Not everyone reads the forums, so they don't see all of the discussion (and search is clearly broken as no one uses it).
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#8 - 2014-05-30 05:26:59 UTC
Good grief. Another "OMFG, I wasted my life training CDO to 5!!!" thread. Ugh

Just wait till it comes time to put on your big girl pants and train the real skills.

I find it to be a nice little relief to slap in lvl5 of the rank 10-14 skills. It's like a mini-vacation from fussing over my skill ques. Big smile

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-05-30 05:31:40 UTC
I don't care because all of my toons have both trained to V, so whateverrrrrrrrrrr

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-05-30 05:32:53 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Also: if you got combat drone operation V you will get the two new light and medium drone skills at V even without scout drone operation V. Just as mentioned in your quote, btw.

But you won't have Drone Avionics V and therefore you'll no longer be able to use T2 Drone Link Augmenters.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-05-30 05:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Is there a reason CCP changed this without letting us know?
They did let us know.

Quote:
Is CCP going to give everyone scout drone operation V also if they had trained Combat drone?
No. You're getting what you trained for. If you thought it was worth it to get CDO to V, then good news: you're getting the value you expected. Oh, and there's no need to try to quickly finish SDO V if you have CDO V already — it won't buy you anything extra if you finish it before the patch.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-05-30 05:34:26 UTC
Except for the part where they lose something they trained for.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2014-05-30 05:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except for the part where they lose something they trained for.

He was explicitly training to get LDO and MDO, so no, he's not losing anything.
He had all the time in the world to get SDO up, but chose not to — he equally explicitly did not train for drone control range.
Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-05-30 05:38:36 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Also: if you got combat drone operation V you will get the two new light and medium drone skills at V even without scout drone operation V. Just as mentioned in your quote, btw.

But you won't have Drone Avionics V and therefore you'll no longer be able to use T2 Drone Link Augmenters.


I don't know about drone link augmentor requirements, but it seemed to me the main concern of the OP was to not be able to finish Scout Drone Operation V in time to profit from the changes.
But having CDO V which, as mentioned, grants the light and medium drone skills already, there's no need to hurry, as drone avionics will after the change be on the same level as SDO before the changes, and train just as quickly.

As the OP also mentioned training CDO to V only because of the dev blog, and not having SDO to V right now, I think that he didn't use those T2 Drone Link Augmenters so far anyway.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#15 - 2014-05-30 05:45:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except for the part where they lose something they trained for.


There's a wide selection of ointments and suppositories that can help with the massive amounts of assmad that you seem to be experiencing. (Hint: Not everyone trained that skill to get DLA II. Some of us couldn't give less of a **** about them.)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2014-05-30 05:55:44 UTC
Another thing…
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Im looking at my skill training right now and with +5's its going to take 5days 1hr to train scout drone operation V
…what kind of oddball remap do you have if neither Memory nor Perception has any extra points put into it?

Even a flat point distribution only requires 4.7 days to take the skill from 0 to V; any kind of normal specialisation (Int/Mem, Per/Wil) will be as fast or faster than that.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-05-30 06:01:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
We have like ten ******* threads about this, holy ****.

shows ccp should've updated the devblog when they found it had incorrect information
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#18 - 2014-05-30 06:04:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
what kind of oddball remap do you have if neither Memory nor Perception has any extra points put into it?


The ganglink kind, most likely.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-05-30 06:05:04 UTC
Thanks for the responses

I saw no correction made in the blog post (which CCP often do amend) and did not realize it had been addressed on the forums.

Unfortunately i don't have time to scour the forums every day as i am working 2 jobs and am about to move countries, and i had no reason to go looking for something i didn't know had existed. I read Eve reddit almost every day, read mittani articles and read all dev blogs/posts advertised in the eve client and i often read the eve forums and never once did i see a post about them also adding it to scout drone operation V

Im not raging, i would simply like to be more informed about important things like skill training changes and i feel i do make a good effort to stay informed. If they made a change after the blog post then they should make that knowledge more publicly available through the client news.

Why would i go searching through the forum post for a piece of information i didn't even know existed?

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-05-30 06:08:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Another thing…
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Im looking at my skill training right now and with +5's its going to take 5days 1hr to train scout drone operation V
…what kind of oddball remap do you have if neither Memory nor Perception has any extra points put into it?

Even a flat point distribution only requires 4.7 days to take the skill from 0 to V; any kind of normal specialisation (Int/Mem, Per/Wil) will be as fast or faster than that.



Well if you would inform my friend who just joined the game with no implants and a default remap that i had him train the wrong skill for 8days because CCP didn't update the dev blog OR make any new article on the client updating the 70% of the eve population who doesn't spend their entire day on the forums, that would be great

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

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