Science & Industry

There is something I don't understand...

In my Procurer with:

1x Modulated Strip Miner II (Crystal II)
2x Mining Laser Upgrade II

I get the following yield 3228 m3.

However if I monkey with Mackinaw in EveHQ, and add to it:

2x Modulated Strip Miner II (Crystal II)
3x Mining Laser Upgrade II

I get 3518 m3

This is very odd since it has two miners, why the difference is so low?

Yes, ok... I agree, it says so...

But from this point of view Mackinaw is almost no upgrade from Procurer... OK, it has a larger ore hold, I agree, but to fill it and make the same production with two miners, you will need to find big asteroids or constantly move it to new ones, which does not make it for a larger ore hold.

Or am I missing something?

I was expecting that a T2 ship is more efficient than a T1...

Rebalancing in what way?

Seriously go read the ship descriptions and dev blogs before asking more stupid questions.

Well, after 3 pages, I got nothing on the subject... I thought this is what community is for to help with specific questions... Google rendered posts from 2012-2013... I guess would have been easier to just answer instead of saying my questions are stupid.

I don't want to know what devs are planning, I just wanted to know what to buy for my next miner and since someone mentioned rebalancing, I thought someone can give me a hint of what's coming about ships I was asking...

Well, never mind. Nice community, and thanks for help.

Yes, I get 4015 m3 but IMHO costs and skills to switch are too low to worth it for me. from 3228 m3 to 4015 m3 clearly not does not justify for me buying the Mackinaw. Seems that Retriever is much better and seems cheaper as I have all T2 modules for it.

Don't be put off so easily. Sometimes people are gruff, but give good advice. Sometimes they're just gruff - tune those people out. Learning to read dev blogs is very useful, but more of an advanced skill.

Back to your question, the procurer is for tank, the retriever is for big ore hold, and covetor is for max yield. The T2 versions of each of these ships bulks up their intended strength.

Personally, I'm a fan of a tanked procurer when you are first starting as it makes you MUCH safer. Once you know what you're doing go for the retriever (or have both ships) if you feel like you're wasting too much time dropping off your ore at a station.

But the larger answer to your question is what do you want to do in Eve? Unless you really like mining you might be better off stopping at a T1 mining ship and start applying skill points towards other aspects of the game.

Finally, the upcoming changes are fairly subtle and won't change your decision for a solo miner.

Because the mackinaw has to fly back to station less often thus it gets a yield boost by having its lasers on longer.

Also, you are comparing a procurer to a mackinaw but you should compare procurer to a skiff or retriever to a mackinaw. Procurer and skiff have the same role while retriever and mackinaw have the same role, just T1 vs T2.

Yeah, I'm excited about this range bonus. They may need to dump their ore more often, but they won't spend as much time slowboating between rocks.



This is why the only Exhumer I will ever fly will be a Skiff. Something about an expensive ship with a paper-thin tank just turns me off.

You're mining, so odds are you're missing a lot of things.

As others have noted, though, the barges are geared toward particular roles.

The procurer and skiff can sport battleship-grade tanks. They're designed to give a decent yield while being relatively "safe" from suicide ganking, etc.

The retriever and mackinaw have huge ore holds, making them good for AFK mining (provided you don't get suicide ganked).

The covetor and hulk get the best yield, but are very fragile. These are good for fleet mining ops, where their bonus yield will be further magnified by fleet boosts, and their small ore holds are a non-issue thanks to dedicated haulers, etc.