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How seriously do you take standings?
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Willy Warbux
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-05-28 07:12:54 UTC
I've been trading around 8-9 months now with some good returns, 10-20% conservatively estimated by the week. Chatting with some fellow traders tonight I found I was one of a very few who just couldn't be asked to do the mission grinding routine. I'd been there and done that with my first character so I just never started.

Maybe it's due in some part to the fact I trade regionally and don't often ply the razor thin margins at Jita, but I just don't see how all the time input pays off in anything but the very (read as: burnout) long run. In the time it takes me to go out and do 16 missions for a storyline, I could have researched and setup a lot of profitable orders and contracts, set my lovely Red Frog pals to do a bit of arbitrage for me, and still have some hours to spare.

Am I way off base here? Fountain of additional isk at my fingertips if only I can stomach a few hundred hours of missions? Or am I correct in assuming a silent majority like me doesn't give much thought to standings and gags at the notion of running missions?
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#2 - 2014-05-28 07:41:44 UTC
Willy Warbux wrote:
if only I can stomach a few hundred hours of missions?

A "few hundred hours of missions" is unnecessary.

If you make use of Datacenters, FW and COSMOS you get excellent standings to any faction over the course of a weekend. If you run for Amarr/Caldari standings then you'll also be able to grab about 3B of other rewards in the process. Pretty much all of my characters have around 8.00+ to Caldari State, Amarr Empire and Caldari Navy.
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-05-28 08:09:46 UTC
I take them very seriously on my trader.

Every time that 0.25% tax pops up I smile and think of all the money im saving.
Willy Warbux
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-05-28 16:53:05 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

If you make use of Datacenters, FW and COSMOS you get excellent standings to any faction over the course of a weekend.


I'll have to look into that.

Bad Bobby wrote:

If you run for Amarr/Caldari standings then you'll also be able to grab about 3B of other rewards in the process.


Are you referring to the epic arc?

Bad Bobby wrote:

Pretty much all of my characters have around 8.00+ to Caldari State, Amarr Empire and Caldari Navy.


Do you not trade in min/gal space?

Steve Celeste wrote:

Every time that 0.25% tax pops up I smile and think of all the money im saving.


That does make me jelly.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-05-28 23:46:58 UTC
Willy Warbux wrote:

Bad Bobby wrote:

Pretty much all of my characters have around 8.00+ to Caldari State, Amarr Empire and Caldari Navy.


Do you not trade in min/gal space?




If you want to get good min/gal standings, you can make a different character for that purpose.

Bobby presumably sees no need to do so.

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Abidal Trekt
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-05-29 01:30:53 UTC
Yeah I don't take them seriously. I don't even use buy orders I'm so lazy.

I wish I was joking.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#7 - 2014-05-29 04:27:10 UTC
Willy Warbux wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
If you run for Amarr/Caldari standings then you'll also be able to grab about 3B of other rewards in the process.
Are you referring to the epic arc?
No. I'm referring to which pair of factions you choose to improve, because increasing Amarr/Caldari will generally sabotage your Gallente/Minmatar standings.

Willy Warbux wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Pretty much all of my characters have around 8.00+ to Caldari State, Amarr Empire and Caldari Navy.
Do you not trade in min/gal space?
I have a couple of characters with good Gallente/Minmatar standings but I haven't actively traded in that area for some time.

Bad Bobby wrote:
If you make use of Datacenters, FW and COSMOS you get excellent standings to any faction over the course of a weekend.
As always when I mention this, a bunch of people have approached me asking for more information. I'll try to post some kind of short guide later today when I have a little more time.
RAW23
#8 - 2014-05-29 06:02:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Bad Bobby wrote:
Will post guide


I wish someone had told me you should do the Amarr COSMOS missions before the Caldari ones for maximum standings benefit. The cost of going the other way round is not huge but when you get very high standings and are trying to get those last few 10ths of a percent you will miss the easy points you could have got from doing them in the right order.

Edit - You're up early today Bobby Blink

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#9 - 2014-05-29 06:15:13 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Will post guide


I wish someone had told me you should do the Amarr COSMOS missions before the Caldari ones for maximum standings benefit. The cost of going the other way round is not huge but when you get very high standings and are trying to get those last few 10ths of a percent you will miss the easy points you could have got from doing them in the right order.

Edit - You're up early today Bobby Blink



I assume this is because of the cap on derived standings? I blew well past 7 caldari faction standing without finishing those tedious career chains, so I never even touched amarr cosmos.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#10 - 2014-05-29 07:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Bobby
Ok, so here is a quick and dirty guide for Caldari standings, with a side order of Amarr standings.

1. Train the skills Social and Connections. Ideally to 5.

2. Do the Amarr and Ammatar datacenter agents as far as you can, see here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers. These involve exchanging tags that you can buy from the market. Feel free to skip any that you feel are too expensive.

3. Join Amarr FW. Do FW missions. Get promotions and the associated faction standing increases. Once you have got the highest promotion, cash in your LP and leave Amarr FW. See here: http://www.factionwarfare.com/faction-warfare-guide-missions/

4. Go back and do any Amarr and Ammatar datacenter agents that you didn't do the first time round.

5. Do the Caldari datacenter agents.

6. Join Caldari FW. Do FW missions. Get promotions and the associated faction standing increases. Once you have got the highest promotion, cash in your LP and leave Caldari FW.

7. Go to the Caldari COSMOS constellation and cherry pick missions that increase your standings and give good rewards. Pay particular attention to the Michi and Akemon missions as these give implants worth around 1B each. See here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/16401872/Cosmos-Missions-101

8. Profit!
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#11 - 2014-05-29 07:14:28 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Will post guide


I wish someone had told me you should do the Amarr COSMOS missions before the Caldari ones for maximum standings benefit. The cost of going the other way round is not huge but when you get very high standings and are trying to get those last few 10ths of a percent you will miss the easy points you could have got from doing them in the right order.

Edit - You're up early today Bobby Blink



I assume this is because of the cap on derived standings? I blew well past 7 caldari faction standing without finishing those tedious career chains, so I never even touched amarr cosmos.

Yes, derived standings cap off at a certain point. So the best way to do it is to get all the derived standings you can first and then get the direct standings (that do not cap off) on top of those.

Amarr COSMOS isn't that great, so I don't bother with it myself. You'll hit the derived standings cap easily without it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-05-29 07:47:35 UTC
Abidal Trekt wrote:
Yeah I don't take them seriously. I don't even use buy orders I'm so lazy.

I wish I was joking.



When i traded i did the same tbh.Never tried any standing increase for any of my tradechars .


I don't want to know how much i lost to tax but i just couldn't be arsed to do so . A good profit is a good profit for me , getting the most out of something never has been my aim Blink .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
RAW23
#13 - 2014-05-29 10:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Addendum to Bobby's excellent post:

Before you join either of the militia's for FW purposes check how many of the agent systems the militia controls. Recent changes to FW have made it so that members of the militia can no longer dock in stations in systems that have been flipped by the enemy militia. This means that almost all the mission agents can be unavailable depending on the state of the warzone. For instance, back in around November last year there was a period of multiple months when only two Caldari agents were available due to the Gallente controlling almost the entire warzone. You DO NOT want to grind standings with a small number of agents as doing it efficiently involves accepting and completing the missions in large batches.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-05-29 17:40:59 UTC
You can also do the Sisters of EVE arc every three months. A combat alt can complete the combat missions for a non-combat alt. The SoE arc has the advantage of raising one faction a significant amount without hurting any of the others.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-05-29 18:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can also do the Sisters of EVE arc every three months. A combat alt can complete the combat missions for a non-combat alt. The SoE arc has the advantage of raising one faction a significant amount without hurting any of the others.

I did that, and I am about to get my hauler to do it (+ screenshot the direct branching from tutorial end).

What I want to know, find out, ask or ... is:

1. How hard is COSMOS to do?
I think I might be able to solo or dual-client it but I am not sure of the rewards.

2. Can FW be done solo? If so how, what about dual-client ? (I have a BS and Destroyer available.)

3. Can I get any faction standing to level 3 with SOE Arc?
I got my SOE standing to around level 2, and 1 other corporate standing to level 3, but only Distribution.
I read it was possible to get one to level 4 at the last missions but I don't know how.
My faction standing is only around 1.7 or so.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4650226#post4650226
Sisters of EVE branching directly from tutorial end.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#16 - 2014-05-29 18:50:39 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
1. How hard is COSMOS to do?
I think I might be able to solo or dual-client it but I am not sure of the rewards.

COSMOS has missions of various difficulties. The agents have levels (like normal mission agents) and that gives you an idea of the difficulty. There are a lot of easy courier missions, but there are also some fairly hard combat missions and some of the action occurs in low-sec or requires you to fly through low-sec.

Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
2. Can FW be done solo? If so how, what about dual-client ? (I have a BS and Destroyer available.)

They are easily soloable. Stealth bombers are generally the favourite ship to do them in, but I've had success with other ships like the Navy Caracal, Cerberus, Ishtar and Stratios. Dual-client works well. Remember you'll be doing them in low-sec, so make sure whatever ship you use can handle that.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2014-05-29 18:59:22 UTC
I take them seriously.

I enjoy best tax rates for all 4 major high sec trade hubs.
(( and pretty good rates anywhere else due to empire standings all positive. ))

You need atleast one in your area for refining and getting jump clones. Within 2 jumps preferred.
(( Although only the corps at the trade hub you use will help with taxes ))

Distribution agents can get you a corp up fast. (( Highly recommended for trade toons. ))

If you can handle security missions or just want to mine away for some awful reason you could do that too.

If you are after all 4 trade hubs standings plan on running a ton of missions.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-05-29 20:46:45 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
1. How hard is COSMOS to do?
I think I might be able to solo or dual-client it but I am not sure of the rewards.

COSMOS has missions of various difficulties. The agents have levels (like normal mission agents) and that gives you an idea of the difficulty. There are a lot of easy courier missions, but there are also some fairly hard combat missions and some of the action occurs in low-sec or requires you to fly through low-sec.

That's good to read and get a reply that I can do COSMOS missions.
I always thought that it was an endgame and that I would never have the time to do them.
I may test in low-sec with the proper scout and my BS. I think it'd be best with at least a BC and BS though.
I can see 2 of my BS die in low-sec and I was ambushed in situation where 2 of my BS would die.

I'll check up on those now and try to reply or EVE Mail you.
(I don't think I can send you ingame ISK through EVE Gate.)
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/COSMOS
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/COSMOS#High_Security_-_Algintal_constellation
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=203348
http://eveinfo.com/cosmos/gallente/

Bad Bobby wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
2. Can FW be done solo? If so how, what about dual-client ? (I have a BS and Destroyer available.)

They are easily soloable. Stealth bombers are generally the favourite ship to do them in, but I've had success with other ships like the Navy Caracal, Cerberus, Ishtar and Stratios. Dual-client works well. Remember you'll be doing them in low-sec, so make sure whatever ship you use can handle that.


I have a Stealth Bomber which is inactive at the moment although I may be able to reactivate it and test it there.
I can also dual-client. I triple-client before, but the lag does get unbarrable and worst than if dual-client or single client.

My biggest concern will be scouting in low-sec as I have been there before and can't stand the pirate infested system.
Nothing easier than spot me and call in a pirate that logs in to intercept me (and loot my ship).


Is it correct that FW can be better than COSMOS for loot but COSMOS is better for standing than FW?


To OP, I hate missions.
I raised my trader sales skills and get the max tax rate benefit in all stations equally, regardless of standing.
That only holds true for sales, like sales of loot and sales of salvage or sales of anything.
Sales translates into ingame ISK, in many languages and all conditions.
There is nothing else it does but increase income.

I don't buy anything to resell.


The only reason I get standing is not for my trader but to test my income per hour.
The reason I test my income per hour is to compare with other activity.
I am quite sure the income level would be higher at mission level 4 and 5.
It is low at Distribution or Courier level 3.
The standing is better than nothing, but not very good.
The best thing is the storyline every 16 mission and the LP.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-30 01:10:44 UTC
Very seriously... taxes and reprocessing rates amongst other issues.

And very damn seriously Standings had better be part of the new Industry system -- although I understand several Devs are now at least looking at this issue and perhaps it's one of the reasons most of the Industry has been pushed back to July 22-ish.

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-05-30 10:10:21 UTC
Ah, yes, problem with low-sec is how to deal with Carrier + caps (which would require most time, cost, efforts and resources) and large gangs.

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